Mark Buerhle's an Ace ????

[YASNY]

Yes.  There's a much better chance of Zambrano becoming a lights-out ace than Buehrle.  Both have thrown a ton of pitches early in their career.  Zambrano has that heavy sinker with the great velocity, and even on off nights, he can still keep the ball in the park.

 

There is also a better chance of Zambrano becoming another Jaime Navarro.

[White Sox Josh]

Yes.  There's a much better chance of Zambrano becoming a lights-out ace than Buehrle.  Both have thrown a ton of pitches early in their career.  Zambrano has that heavy sinker with the great velocity, and even on off nights, he can still keep the ball in the park.

Buehrle has also done a good job of keeping the ball in the park considering he pitches in a great hitters park.

[fathom]

Hell, Zambrano could be our number 3 hitter. And BTW, I HATE THE CUBS!

[White Sox Josh]

Yes.  There's a much better chance of Zambrano becoming a lights-out ace than Buehrle.  Both have thrown a ton of pitches early in their career.  Zambrano has that heavy sinker with the great velocity, and even on off nights, he can still keep the ball in the park.

Zambrano isn't even the best pitcher on that team.

[Balta1701]

Neither would I, which is the true measure of who is the better pitcher.

Also...even if you were able to totally disregard the personality issues with Zambrainless, I still wouldn't trade him for Buehrle.

[Balta1701]

Zambrano isn't even the best pitcher on that team.

Excluding guys with 300+ wins who are down to the final years of their careers...he's the only guy on that staff who can stay healthy.

[fathom]

Zambrano isn't even the best pitcher on that team.

 

He isn't? Besides the hype, he's consistently been better than Prior. And who cares who the best pitcher on the team is? Oswalt isn't the best pitcher on Houston....yet he's still damn good. There's no doubt in my mind that Garland has been our best pitcher this season.

[White Sox Josh]

Also...even if you were able to totally disregard the personality issues with Zambrainless, I still wouldn't trade him for Buehrle.

plus his physical issues with him being out of shape will hurt his career. Plus he doesn't give you the innings that Buehrle does.

[White Sox Josh]

He isn't?  Besides the hype, he's consistently been better than Prior.  And who cares who the best pitcher on the team is?  Oswalt isn't the best pitcher on Houston....yet he's still damn good. There's no doubt in my mind that Garland has been our best pitcher this season.

Nope neither of them. Greg Maddux. He leads that team in innings pitched, is second in wins, and has started every single game this year. Call me crazy but Maddux also does something else that is key. he keeps his head on straight and doesn't blow up when something goes wrong. Maddux has been their most consistent pitcher this year. He hasn't started as many games as Zambrano this year but i will bet you anything he will lead that team in IP. Edited September 21, 2005 by White Sox Josh

[fathom]

plus his physical issues with him being out of shape will hurt his career.  Plus he doesn't give you the innings that Buehrle does.

 

Zambrano pitches a s***load of innings, especially for a strikeout pitcher. It will be interesting to see if Zambrano loses 20 pounds like he wants to this offseason.

[fathom]

Nope neither of them.  Greg Maddux.  He leads that team in innings pitched, is second in wins, and has started every single game this year.  Call me crazy but Maddux also does something else that is key.  he keeps his head on straight and doesn't blow up when something goes wrong.  Maddux has been their most consistent pitcher this year.

 

Wow, I must say, I completely disagree with that. Jake Westbrook has more wins and innings than Milwood this inning. Does that mean he's better than Milwood? Hell no!

[Balta1701]

Nope neither of them.  Greg Maddux.  He leads that team in innings pitched, is second in wins, and has started every single game this year.  Call me crazy but Maddux also does something else that is key.  he keeps his head on straight and doesn't blow up when something goes wrong.  Maddux has been their most consistent pitcher this year.

And if you had to pick the pitcher on the Sox staff who's stuff most resembles that of a young Greg Maddux...(possibly throwing with a different arm)...who would that be?

[White Sox Josh]

And if you had to pick the pitcher on the Sox staff who's stuff most resembles that of a young Greg Maddux...(possibly throwing with a different arm)...who would that be?

Who is Mark Buehrle?

[fathom]

And if you had to pick the pitcher on the Sox staff who's stuff most resembles that of a young Greg Maddux...(possibly throwing with a different arm)...who would that be?

 

88 mph and a good change-up.....

 

FELIX DIAZ!

[fathom]

Buehrle is a lot more comparable to another Braves star, Tom Glavine.

[White Sox Josh]

Buehrle is a lot more comparable to another Braves star, Tom Glavine.

yeah I think he is comparable to both. More so to Maddux though.

[Balta1701]

yeah I think he is comparable to both.  More so to Maddux though.

He just needs to get the same strike zone Maddux gets

[White Sox Josh]

He just needs to get the same strike zone Maddux gets 

that will come over time. He has more wins than Maddux does at the same points in their career. We might be seeing something very special with Buehrle if he keeps up this pace.

[Milkman delivers]

that will come over time.  He has more wins than Maddux does at the same points in their career.  We might be seeing something very special with Buehrle if he keeps up this pace.

 

Before this year started, I estimated how many wins Buehrle can get if he pitches until he's 40 with the same kind of success he's had so far. In the end, it came out to 328 career wins. I doubt he'll get there (especially if he can't beat playoff teams, ha), but it's a nice goal.

[White Sox Josh]

Before this year started, I estimated how many wins Buehrle can get if he pitches until he's 40 with the same kind of success he's had so far.  In the end, it came out to 328 career wins.  I doubt he'll get there (especially if he can't beat playoff teams, ha), but it's a nice goal.

if he keeps up this pace he will. He has a big advantage because these innings that he throws won't hurt his arm that much because he isn't a power pitcher and has excellent mechanics.

[fathom]

Before this year started, I estimated how many wins Buehrle can get if he pitches until he's 40 with the same kind of success he's had so far.  In the end, it came out to 328 career wins.  I doubt he'll get there (especially if he can't beat playoff teams, ha), but it's a nice goal.

 

Especially with Pujols on his team

[whitesoxfan99]

Buehrle is much better than zambrano.  Almost all of his stats are better.  He also pitches in the AL which is a tougher league to pitch in.  Also I didn't put the mets on that list.  Pedro might be the best SP in the NL right now.  Right now i would take Buehrle over Peavy.  Im a huge Peavy fan though.

Actually, almost none of Buehrle's stats are better. Zambrano has lower BAA, OBPA, WHIP, more strikeouts, only one less wins, and a lower ERA. Peavy is a better pitcher than Mark without a doubt. The only reason I would possibly take Mark over Peavy is he throws more innings and is more durable. A healthy Peavy is better than Mark without a doubt though. Like I said, Mark would be a #1 starter for a lot of teams, but at this point in his career he isn't an ace.

[ZoomSlowik]

Actually, almost none of Buehrle's stats are better.  Zambrano has lower BAA, OBPA, WHIP, more strikeouts, only one less wins, and a lower ERA.  Peavy is a better pitcher than Mark without a doubt.  The only reason I would possibly take Mark over Peavy is he throws more innings and is more durable.  A healthy Peavy is better than Mark without a doubt though.  Like I said, Mark would be a #1 starter for a lot of teams, but at this point in his career he isn't an ace.

 

You need to compensate for the difference between the NL and AL. In general, the ERA's in the AL are much higher than in the NL. Plus Zambrano gets gift outs and K's by pitching in the NL because of the pitchers hitting. Put Buehrle somewhere like Petco park and his ERA sinks to the mid 2's. Peavy is a stud, but Zambrano is way too inconsistent.

[whitesoxfan99]

You need to compensate for the difference between the NL and AL.  In general, the ERA's in the AL are much higher than in the NL. Plus Zambrano gets gift outs and K's by pitching in the NL because of the pitchers hitting. Put Buehrle somewhere like Petco park and his ERA sinks to the mid 2's. Peavy is a stud, but Zambrano is way too inconsistent.

 

That's true, but the post I was responding to said that nearly all of Mark's stats were better than Zambrano's.

[White Sox Josh]

You need to compensate for the difference between the NL and AL.  In general, the ERA's in the AL are much higher than in the NL. Plus Zambrano gets gift outs and K's by pitching in the NL because of the pitchers hitting. Put Buehrle somewhere like Petco park and his ERA sinks to the mid 2's. Peavy is a stud, but Zambrano is way too inconsistent.

exactly. Plus Zambrano is so inconsistent. He goes through stretches where he is lights out and than stretches where he gets absolutley bombed. Buehrle at his worst will at least keep you in the game.