SleepyWhiteSox Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Apparently, they're also going to have a shell to hook the remote into to form a conventional-style controller... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) Apparently, they're also going to have a shell to hook the remote into to form a conventional-style controller... I was wondering about that. It makes sense, not everyone is going to want that joystick just hanging there like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 06:42 AM) Apparently, they're also going to have a shell to hook the remote into to form a conventional-style controller... I rather not have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Are there any screenshots from Rev games yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 N64 and GameCube were major and minor failures respectively compared to what Nintendo's expectations were. Their dominance of the handheld market is now also being threatened by the PSP. This controller shows me they are really getting desperate. They've done a good job of generating a ton of PR for a TV remote, but the Revolution won't be coming out any time soon. At E3 they did not have one in-game demo of anything for the Revolution. If you're over the age of 13, don't waste your time waiting for Revolution. Simply borrow or rent one after it comes out if you really need to play the new Mario or Zelda game. The only things you should be buying are an XBox 360 or a PS3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) If you're over the age of 13, don't waste your time waiting for Revolution. Simply borrow or rent one after it comes out if you really need to play the new Mario or Zelda game. The only things you should be buying are an XBox 360 or a PS3. Nintendo will have probably about 10 more 1st party games worth playing than just Mario and Zelda. XBox will have Halo and, well, Halo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 02:10 PM) Nintendo will have probably about 10 more 1st party games worth playing than just Mario and Zelda. XBox will have Halo and, well, Halo. Ten? It sure is easy to say 10 when we're talking about something that doesn't exist. What are these 10 magical games that everyone's going to be playing. Last I checked, first party games alone couldn't carry a system anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 03:28 PM) Last I checked, first party games alone couldn't carry a system anyways. They're a hell of a lot more important than 3rd party games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 They're a hell of a lot more important than 3rd party games. No, they aren't. Even a company the size of Nintendo can only make a couple great 1st party titles a year and that can't hold up a system. 1st party games are helpful, but 3rd party support is vital. That being said, I'm glad Nintendo is trying something crazy. If they tried traditional system, they'd get beat again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(CrimsonWeltall @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) No, they aren't. Even a company the size of Nintendo can only make a couple great 1st party titles a year and that can't hold up a system. 1st party games are helpful, but 3rd party support is vital. That being said, I'm glad Nintendo is trying something crazy. If they tried traditional system, they'd get beat again. The amount of third party Nintendo will miss out out on that Microsoft will get that's worthwhile is minute. Grand Theft Auto...what else? The amount of solid first party games and a couple third party Nintendo only game surpasses it. Edited September 17, 2005 by 3E8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 10:54 AM) I rather not have that. Don't worry...yet. That won't be what it looks like since it's just what that website thinks it might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 http://cube.ign.com/articles/593/593733p1.html Well the Nintendo president sure seems to think 3rd party support might be an issue. For the most part, developers of modern console games can port titles to the three big platforms with a reasonable amount of work. What Iwata is saying here is that the Revolution platform will be so 'revolutionary' that publishers would be forced to make a committed effort to develop titles especially for the Revolution. Big companies like EA are not very likely to throw all their eggs in the Nintendo basket especially when they can make more money porting titles to multiple systems like the 360 and PS3. This combined with the fact that Microsoft and Sony will once again have a huge head start with the relase of their next-gen consoles only serves to further the disadvantage to Nintendo. Does anyone remember the Dreamcast? It too was a revolutionary concept for its time and was actually released well before the PS2. Third party developers were hesitant and the platform ultimately failed financially although it was a technological success in that it inspired much of the technology we saw in future consoles. In the end, what will determine the success of the Revolution? If your measuring stick is sales, then that depends on how many kids can convince their parents to buy one or how many Japanese people buy one just to play Mario Revolution, Zelda Revolution and Metroid Revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 I think the article helps prove my point that first party is more important than third party. Nintendo is prepared to enter the market with a next-generation console relying largely on first party games. Whether or not this strategy will be successful, I guess remains to be seen. It is pretty ironic how you are aguing against Nintendo with a handle and signature that includes Donkey Kong. You should know Nintendo can shell out a couple games based on that character alone. You've also added Metroid to your list of only worthwhile games in addition to Mario Revolution and Zelda Revolution. There will be multiple great Mario spin-offs. And I assume there's still Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wave Race, F-Zero, StarFox, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) I think the article helps prove my point that first party is more important than third party. Nintendo is prepared to enter the market with a next-generation console relying largely on first party games. Whether or not this strategy will be successful, I guess remains to be seen. It is pretty ironic how you are aguing against Nintendo with a handle and signature that includes Donkey Kong. You should know Nintendo can shell out a couple games based on that character alone. You've also added Metroid to your list of only worthwhile games in addition to Mario Revolution and Zelda Revolution. There will be multiple great Mario spin-offs. And I assume there's still Smash Bros, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Wave Race, F-Zero, StarFox, etc. A couple of games yes. Just because I don't think the Revolution will succeed doesn't mean I hate Nintendo. I liked Donkey Kong games when I was in 6th grade maybe, but honestly they are too childish for me now and have been probably since high school. The last Donkey Kong game I purchased was Donkey Kong Country. In many ways, my name and signature are very much an homage to the Nintendo that was such a big part of my youth. Those titles alone did not carry the Super Nintendo as it also had fantastic third party support. Look at the Gamecube now. It has a loyal sometimes rabid following due to its successful first party titles but still lags consistently in sales and market share. What's different now is that Nintendo is gradually conceding itself to reside in the niche (for lack of a better word) "kiddie" video game market. They are successful in that area, but it is still a niche compared to the broader video gaming market for teens and adults that Nintendo is becoming less and less a factor in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 I suppose the "kiddie" label is certainly warrented with Nintendo, but sometimes those are my favorite games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 18, 2005 Author Share Posted September 18, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 09:14 PM) Don't worry...yet. That won't be what it looks like since it's just what that website thinks it might be. I think the pic looks cool as hell. I would just still rather not have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 18, 2005 Author Share Posted September 18, 2005 QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 09:55 PM) http://cube.ign.com/articles/593/593733p1.html Well the Nintendo president sure seems to think 3rd party support might be an issue. For the most part, developers of modern console games can port titles to the three big platforms with a reasonable amount of work. What Iwata is saying here is that the Revolution platform will be so 'revolutionary' that publishers would be forced to make a committed effort to develop titles especially for the Revolution. Big companies like EA are not very likely to throw all their eggs in the Nintendo basket especially when they can make more money porting titles to multiple systems like the 360 and PS3. This combined with the fact that Microsoft and Sony will once again have a huge head start with the relase of their next-gen consoles only serves to further the disadvantage to Nintendo. Does anyone remember the Dreamcast? It too was a revolutionary concept for its time and was actually released well before the PS2. Third party developers were hesitant and the platform ultimately failed financially although it was a technological success in that it inspired much of the technology we saw in future consoles. In the end, what will determine the success of the Revolution? If your measuring stick is sales, then that depends on how many kids can convince their parents to buy one or how many Japanese people buy one just to play Mario Revolution, Zelda Revolution and Metroid Revolution. You quoted an article on March 4th..... But of course, since than, Nintendo has had THQ, EA, Square-Enix, Sega, Activision, UbiSoft, Majesco, and a couple more already pledge support. Considering right there you have the biggest games in deveoping, I don't think 3rd party support is going to be much of a problem. Also, The DS has absolutly blown out the PSP in terms of sales. By now it has atleast doubled up and probaly will triple up on it soon. Sony already had to cut back by 33% on what they planned to sell. If this is any indication, The Rev will find the new audience the Big N is looking for and be a huge success, just like the DS currently is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) You quoted an article on March 4th..... But of course, since than, Nintendo has had THQ, EA, Square-Enix, Sega, Activision, UbiSoft, Majesco, and a couple more already pledge support. Considering right there you have the biggest games in deveoping, I don't think 3rd party support is going to be much of a problem. Also, The DS has absolutly blown out the PSP in terms of sales. By now it has atleast doubled up and probaly will triple up on it soon. Sony already had to cut back by 33% on what they planned to sell. If this is any indication, The Rev will find the new audience the Big N is looking for and be a huge success, just like the DS currently is. Pledged support? You do realize that doesn't mean anything I hope. All those developers have said is they want to support gamers on all platforms, and that's just the standard industry smoke screen. Until titles are announced, that don't mean diddly. When did EA and Activision (the two biggest publishers) pledge support by the way? Activision might have said something like they would like to make cross-platform games or that the Revolution controller looks innovative but I see nothing close to a pledge. Square Enix will release FF: Crystal Chronicles on Revolution. Final Fantasy is the only franchise of theirs popular enough to draw gamers to buy a console. I have no argument on the DS being successful. Since when has handheld support meant success for Nintendo's console in the past? Gameboy Advance and Advance SP were also huge successes. I don't see how the success of the DS is an indication of anything regarding the Revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Wait, what the f*** is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 If this is any indication, The Rev will find the new audience the Big N is looking for and be a huge success, just like the DS currently is. It's not any indication. Nintendo has been dominating the handheld market for a long time, but has showed poorly in the last 2 generations of consoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(CrimsonWeltall @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) It's not any indication. Nintendo has been dominating the handheld market for a long time, but has showed poorly in the last 2 generations of consoles. What are you talking about? There were less N64 units sold than the PS1, but not enough that you could call it a "poor showing". Also, GC have outsold the XBox worldwide. Over 20 million units of GC in all to be specific. Edited September 18, 2005 by 3E8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 18, 2005 Author Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 05:44 PM) Pledged support? You do realize that doesn't mean anything I hope. All those developers have said is they want to support gamers on all platforms, and that's just the standard industry smoke screen. Until titles are announced, that don't mean diddly. I have no argument on the DS being successful. Since when has handheld support meant success for Nintendo's console in the past? Gameboy Advance and Advance SP were also huge successes. I don't see how the success of the DS is an indication of anything regarding the Revolution. Well, Square, Majesco, Ubisoft, Buena Vista, and a couple of others have all atleast announced 1 game for the Revolution. That's as much as Nintendo could even say right now. So again, I'd say 3rd party support is looking fine right now. Not to mention, reading some of the developers comments, you can't help but get excited for the Rev. And the DS is an indication because the Rev will bring even more innovative games into homes. The DS has succeeded off a new audience. An audience that doesn't need a long, 40 hour game to have fun. Look at Nintendogs for example. A recent poll in Japan stated around 46% of Nintendog owners were female. Do you think there has ever a major game with statistics even close to this. Just like Nintendogs, Meteos, and Brain Training for the DS, quirky new IP's are going to define the Revolution. And if the DS is an indication, it's going to be great. Edited September 18, 2005 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) Well, Square, Majesco, Ubisoft, Buena Vista, and a couple of others have all atleast announced 1 game for the Revolution. Sega as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 18, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) What are you talking about? There were less N64 units sold than the PS1, but not enough that you could call it a "poor showing". Also, GC have outsold the XBox worldwide. Over 20 million units of GC in all to be specific. Market share, especially in the US has been decreasing from N64 through GameCube. To not acknowledge N64 had a poor showing is blind fanboy optimism. They went from the success of SNES to N64 and allowed their powerhouse market share to be stolen from them by a new entry in the PS1. It was by all of Nintendo's standards, a very poor showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 18, 2005 Author Share Posted September 18, 2005 I can't help but get excited after watching the video of it in action. http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/651/651334/vids_1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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