fathom Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Balta....very good post above. Even though I disagree with it, you make excellent points. It's great to see posters actually making points instead of just jumping on someone's back because they have a lower opinion of a player than another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 11:20 AM) The thing is who replaces Pods as the top of the lineup? I agree that Rowand is good if you've got power players surrounding him in the OF but at the moment we don't. Pods has got 1 year left on his deal at just over a million IIRC. And that's why he's not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty22hotty Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 09:08 AM) I've been one of his biggest supporters all season. He was arguably the offensive MVP of the first half and his ability to steal bases ignited and undoubtly changed the whole mentality of the offense from station to station HR ball to a more fundamental approach to scoring runs (moving over the runner, etc). His value as the White Sox LF is and always has been tied to his SB's and OBP. If you look at the second half of the season both of these crucial statistics are on the decline. He is no longer having as many quality at bats (note that his walks are down slightly and his OPB is down .033 from the first half). As we all have noted he is unable to steal bases at the same clip. G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Pre All Star 74 282 50 83 14 0 0 17 34 41 44 9 .294 .369 .344 .713 Post All-Star 40 163 24 46 12 1 0 7 10 26 12 12 .282 .326 .368 .694 Now, I understand he was injured and in fact still looks a little gimpy out there now. If he is still slightly injured and it is indeed hampering his ability to steal bases should he be on the field? Probably not. A speedy leftfielder who has no power and plays average defensively is not a valuable asset when you take away the stolen base. His throwing arm has been exploited a few times in the past week and his routes to flyballs has been described as poor by numerous posters on this site. So this brings me to my question. Do we stick with him because he got us to where we are today? Or do we use Brian Anderson, Joe Borchard and yes, TIMO PEREZ in LF. Brian Anderson single handedly won us a game in Seattle and Joe B is 3-3 since rejoining the team. I did also look at Scotty's stats against Cleveland (.324 avg, 9/10 in SBs in 10 games) so he has been a catalyst against them. But I ask you, is this the same Scotty Pods that played against the Indians in April and June? This post has been edited by the Soxtalk staff to remove objectionable material. Soxtalk encourages a free discussion between its members, but does not allow personal attacks, threats, graphic sexual material, nudity, or any other materials judged offensive by the Administrators and Moderators. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 QUOTE(scotty22hotty @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) This post has been edited by the Soxtalk staff to remove objectionable material. Soxtalk encourages a free discussion between its members, but does not allow personal attacks, threats, graphic sexual material, nudity, or any other materials judged offensive by the Administrators and Moderators. Thank you. Thanks!! I'll keep that in mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgtp Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 Why is this even being discussed? He is a catalyst and he is still hitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 QUOTE(alexgtp @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 10:34 AM) Why is this even being discussed? He is a catalyst and he is still hitting. It's being discussed because he is 12/24 since the AS break in stolen bases and is not doing the job in left field. If he fixed both of those problems, then instantly the complaints would disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 There's nobody of worth to replace him with. He's one of our cogs, like it or not. I still like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Leave Pods in at the leadoff spot but the rest of the lineup needs a shakeup. Pods Iguchi Dye Kornerko Rowand Uribe Pierzynski (Everett here against lefties AJ dropped a spot.) Everett Crede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Pods is our best player for leadoff even with his struggles. We cant move our RBI guys to leadoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 09:45 AM) Of course not...did you not look at Pods stats in September? He is doing great. If the Everetts, and Dyes, and AJs turned it up, we might have something. And Ozzie, quit taking TAGUCHI out of the lineup. Pods' job is not only to get on base, but to get steals and score runs. He hasn't done that. Right now, he's the crappiest .300 hitter(for the month of sept) in baseball. Getting on base for him just means he's prolonging the out. Don't make a difference if you get on base and they make an out opposed to making an out at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 07:28 PM) Pods' job is not only to get on base, but to get steals and score runs. He hasn't done that. Right now, he's the crappiest .300 hitter(for the month of sept) in baseball. Getting on base for him just means he's prolonging the out. Don't make a difference if you get on base and they make an out opposed to making an out at the plate. While he's truggling on the basepath, the field and When he comes up with men on with his 23 rbis I know he's not coming through. Think about it with men on and when we need an rbi who do want not pods. Remember he doesn't lead off every innning............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 02:28 AM) Leadoff position in the AL isn't too important, in my opinion. The only time it's important is if you have a superstar like Vlad in the 3rd spot. Rather, with the likely team we'll put on the field, we need offensive balance throughout. Well of course last year we had Willie Harris leading off, and most people remembered the complaints on him even though he had an OBP of around .340. And I disagree that it isn't too important, most of the good offenses genreally have a good leadoff hitter, and KW thought it was really important to get a good one in the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Pods has to play; it's that simple. The other options are not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 07:28 PM) Pods' job is not only to get on base, but to get steals and score runs. He hasn't done that. Right now, he's the crappiest .300 hitter(for the month of sept) in baseball. Getting on base for him just means he's prolonging the out. Don't make a difference if you get on base and they make an out opposed to making an out at the plate. Pods has had 66 AB's with runners in scoring position. In those 66 AB's, he has 23 RBI. (an RBI every 2.87 AB's, which isnt bad) In 33 AB's with RISP and 2 outs, Pods has 8 hits and 8 RBI, amounting to a .303 average. In 26 AB's with a man on second, Pods is hitting a remarkable .385 with 6 RBI. Considering the fact that he hasnt had many AB's in these situations, he's doing well getting the people home when he has to. And yes, I know that he is hitless with the bases loaded, so no need to point that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 For Sept, Pods is hitting .362/.423/.468. Sure he sucks, sit him and play timo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toto Testosterone Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 No, but it may be time to STOP running him every time he reaches base. It accomplishes nothing (anymore), other than robbing the team of outs and disrupting Iguchi's timing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxgt Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 16, 2005 -> 11:01 AM) How ironic is it that last year, we struggled all season for a leadoff hitter, so we traded Carlos Lee, our number 3 hitter. Now, this season, we've basically struggled all year to find a number 3 hitter? Thank You! Ur pretty much saying Carl Everett sucks. Ur the first person thats agreed with me. I think its time for some prospects to get a crack at the DH spot at least next year. My candidates would be , Casey Rogowski, Brian Anderson, or Chris Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 uh.. as far as I know (which isnt much), Brian Anderson is the only one of those 3 that is ready for the MLB, and his defense is good (he has a great arm if i remember correctly), so putting him as a DH takes that arm away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich McKinney Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 How in the world did Pods become Konerko? I say, sit him and play Borchard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 So we sit the key to our offense to put in Borchard? Not exactly smart.. especially when he is hitting .360 in September.. Remember when he went on the DL? Remember how we did when that happened? I, personally, dont want to go through that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich McKinney Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 So we sit the key to our offense to put in Borchard? Not exactly smart.. especially when he is hitting .360 in September.. Remember when he went on the DL? Remember how we did when that happened? I, personally, dont want to go through that again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Remember how we slumped when he came back? Like now! I'm wondering how he picked up Konerko's speed all of a sudden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Rich McKinney @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) Remember how we slumped when he came back? Like now! I'm wondering how he picked up Konerko's speed all of a sudden. Remember the 7 game winning streak when he came back? He didn't pick up Konerko's speed, but he's still hurting and he's lost a step. He should get the stop sign on the base paths unless we're hitting and running. He's still the fastest guy on our team other than Harris, but he's not healthy enough to be a huge base stealer right now. Edited September 18, 2005 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxgt @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Thank You! Ur pretty much saying Carl Everett sucks. Ur the first person thats agreed with me. I think its time for some prospects to get a crack at the DH spot at least next year. My candidates would be , Casey Rogowski, Brian Anderson, or Chris Young. Personally...in my crazy head, I wouldn't mind seeing the option not picked up on Everett and Timo shipped off, and in exchange we give Borchard and Anderson their roster spots. That way we at least don't lose Borchard next year, given how much we've invested in him, and we save a ton on paying Everett. Besides, KW will probably trade for Everett mid-season anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2005 -> 07:39 PM) Besides, KW will probably trade for Everett mid-season anyway. You can put it on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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