Sox are officially cooked

[Chisoxrd5]

It's amazing that 149 games into the season, Ozzie still has no feel for which pitchers should be in to face which batters.  Cotts has some of the best numbers I've ever seen from a lefty in regards to facing righties.

 

All you have to watch is how batters from BOTH sides of the plate react to Cotts fastball to see how effective he can be against hitters. The ball gets on them so quick and they take some of the worst swings against a fastball that I have ever seen. The few times Cotts has looked shaky is when he comes in with runners on. This shouldn't be suprising to coaches or fans because he still a younger pitcher who has battled with some control problems over the past few years.

 

Nothing about Cotts screams out 'situational lefty' but for some reason that is the role he has been given on this team.

 

He has been set up to fail the entire second half and still his numbers have been outstanding.

[DBAHO]

Casey Blake dropped a flyball, which lead to a big inning.  The Indians also had massive warning track power last night, as they could have easily been up 5-0 in the 2nd inning.  I bet the Indians fans are saying how great of a comeback the Sox made last night, and it still wasn't good enough to beat them.

But we did as well you know, with Crede and was it Iguchi? both going to the warning track in the 1st 4 innings against Millwood.

 

And with Jake Westbrook on the mound (AWAY - 4.89, 0-3 vs. Sox this season with 4.95 ERA), I like our chances to do something good tonight.

[sircaffey]

Guillen put in the right pitchers for the right situations and THEY failed, the pitchers.  Jenks failing against Boone is something I never saw happening, and neither did you, to claim you did makes you sound stupid.

 

Boy, if only that were true. Marte our "left handed specialist" faced Hafner and Martinez. If only Hafner wasn't hitting .294 lifetime off Marte and if only Martinez wasn't hitting .364 lifetime off Marte, it would have been the right move. Marte has some kind of dirt on Ozzie. Is Damaso married to Ozzie's sister in law or something?

[wallyburger]

Boy, if only that were true.  Marte our "left handed specialist" faced Hafner and Martinez.  If only Hafner wasn't hitting .294 lifetime off Marte and if only Martinez wasn't hitting .364 lifetime off Marte, it would have been the right move.  Marte has some kind of dirt on Ozzie.  Is Damaso married to Ozzie's sister in law or something?

 

 

Uncle Ozzie would rather take care of his " kid" Marte, than win games. Why do people try to figure out why The Blizzard does things. He is a crazy man, and crazy men do crazy things. The definition of a crazy person is ;

 

"one who does the same thing time and again and expects a different outcome every time".

[southsider2k5]

Next time Ozzie starts running out to the mound every batter to get a lefty/lefty or righty/right match-up, you may want to look at the stats of the 5 pitchers he does this for most often:

 

Politte                    .159 against LH  .175 against RH

Jenks                  .089 against LH  .273 against RH

Cotts                      .215 against LH  .127 against RH

Marte                      .256 against LH  .235 against RH

Vizcaino                  .311 against LH  .235 against RH

 

Except for Vizcaino all the other guys actually have more success against the guys they are being lifted for than the guys they are going in the game to retire.

 

I keep seeing these numbers, but I would like someone to answer me this. How much of this is due to the left handers that they do face.

 

If they are a GOOD lefty Ozzie uses Marte or Cotts to get them out. Which means that when they do face a lefty, they aren't facing a Travis Hafner, they are facing a no named chump. Vizcaino being the middle reliever faces a lot more hitters, as he logs more innings per outing, much earlier in the game, which means he is seeing some of these same lefties that Marte would face later in the game. Would all of these guys have nearly the same numbers against lefties if they faced anywhere near the quality of hitters that first Marte, and then Cotts faces? I seriously doubt it.

 

Once again there are 3 kinds of lies. Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.

[LVSoxFan]

Casey Blake dropped a flyball, which lead to a big inning.  The Indians also had massive warning track power last night, as they could have easily been up 5-0 in the 2nd inning.  I bet the Indians fans are saying how great of a comeback the Sox made last night, and it still wasn't good enough to beat them.

 

 

You're not kidding. I was there for batting pratice and Cleveland was just CRUSHING the ball. I don't think I've ever seen that many balls go into the stands, and I mean WAY into the stands.

 

I'm surprised they only got the four runs that they did.

[southsider2k5]

You're not kidding.  I was there for batting pratice and Cleveland was just CRUSHING the ball.  I don't think I've ever seen that many balls go into the stands, and I mean WAY into the stands.

 

I'm surprised they only got the four runs that they did.

 

The Sox also had two balls caught on the track, one of them would have been a 3 run HR IIRC. The thing about baseball is they all counted for the samething... Outs.

[RockRaines]

You guys are all weak and pathetic. WE own the tribe. So they sqeaked out a game when our pitchers were horrible. We pounded the best pitcher in the AL ERA-wise. We own the tribe this year 10-4, what makes you think we wont take the next two games? We own our division and only play them the rest of the way. Everyone who is s***ting on the sox needs to leave the site. It was better here before you came anyway. I wont miss your horrible opinions and your knowledge-less posts. Good riddance to you and the horses you rode in on.

[fathom]

The Sox also had two balls caught on the track, one of them would have been a 3 run HR IIRC.  The thing about baseball is they all counted for the samething... Outs.

 

I definitely agree. All I was pointing out was that there was another team on the field last night, and it wasn't just the Sox who were either getting all the breaks or making bad pitches/errors. I bet a lot of Indians fans were upset that Sizemore didn't catch PK's double. Sure didn't seem like he jumped too well to try and catch that ball. If Jason Tyner could catch that ball, Sizemore could have also.

[Harry Chappas]

You guys are all weak and pathetic.  WE own the tribe. So they sqeaked out a game when our pitchers were horrible.  We pounded the best pitcher in the AL ERA-wise.  We own the tribe this year 10-4, what makes you think we wont take the next two games?  We own our division and only play them the rest of the way.  Everyone who is s***ting on the sox needs to leave the site.  It was better here before you came anyway.  I wont miss your horrible opinions and your knowledge-less posts.  Good riddance to you and the horses you rode in on.

 

Pounded, we had 1 ER off of him.

 

Here is all I have to say about last night.

 

Politte 8th

Jenks 9th

Ballgame wheather we win or lose there is no real debate.

 

s***ting on and pointing out the obvious are very different. I feel we still have a shot at the playoffs but this is very, very sad to think it is 50/50 right now.

 

It could be worse, you could be a Red Sox fan.

[southsider2k5]

Pounded, we had 1 ER off of him.

 

Here is all I have to say about last night.

 

Politte 8th

Jenks 9th

Ballgame wheather we win or lose there is no real debate.

 

s***ting on and pointing out the obvious are very different.  I feel we still have a shot at the playoffs but this is very, very sad to think it is 50/50 right now.

 

It could be worse, you could be a Red Sox fan.

 

Since when did they stop counting unearned runs on the scoreboard? The Sox still had to get the hits after that to bring those guys in.

[Chisoxrd5]

Pounded, we had 1 ER off of him.

Here is all I have to say about last night.

Politte 8th

Jenks 9th

Ballgame wheather we win or lose there is no real debate.

s***ting on and pointing out the obvious are very different.  I feel we still have a shot at the playoffs but this is very, very sad to think it is 50/50 right now.

It could be worse, you could be a Red Sox fan.

 

The weather last night was beautiful despite the fact that we lost the game!

 

As for the poooor Red Sox fans, I'll take the world series over anything we have had happen for us in the last 75 years.

[RockRaines]

Pounded, we had 1 ER off of him.

 

Here is all I have to say about last night.

 

Politte 8th

Jenks 9th

Ballgame wheather we win or lose there is no real debate.

 

s***ting on and pointing out the obvious are very different.  I feel we still have a shot at the playoffs but this is very, very sad to think it is 50/50 right now.

 

It could be worse, you could be a Red Sox fan.

you are extremely narrow minded and negative. 50/50?? Last time I checked we were leading the AL. Are we not?

[TheBigHurt]

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 09:05 AM)

You guys are all weak and pathetic.  WE own the tribe. So they sqeaked out a game when our pitchers were horrible.  We pounded the best pitcher in the AL ERA-wise.  We own the tribe this year 10-4, what makes you think we wont take the next two games?  We own our division and only play them the rest of the way.  Everyone who is s***ting on the sox needs to leave the site.  It was better here before you came anyway.  I wont miss your horrible opinions and your knowledge-less posts.  Good riddance to you and the horses you rode in on.

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Rock, once again you inspire me. Brilliant words.

[Chisoxrd5]

Rock, once again you inspire me. Brilliant words.

 

Hmm...

 

Imf***ing done with this s***. Have fun folks, im done until next year.

 

He inspired me when he wrote this in a thread a few days ago too....

 

Have all you people lost you're minds?

[fathom]

you are extremely narrow minded and negative.  50/50?? Last time I checked we were leading the AL.  Are we not?

 

At the rate the Sox are going, and the way the Indians and Yankees are playing, I'd say 50/50 is a pretty legit chance.

[RockRaines]

Hmm...

He inspired me when he wrote this in a thread a few days ago too....

 

Have all you people lost you're minds? 

out of context your tribune reporter wanna be

[RockRaines]

At the rate the Sox are going, and the way the Indians and Yankees are playing, I'd say 50/50 is a pretty legit chance.

I feel pretty good about our chances with Mark and Jon on the bump. Then a little tiger-bashing. You know that the tribe wont win out, its almost impossible for them to do that. I have faith.

[fathom]

I feel pretty good about our chances with Mark and Jon on the bump.  Then a little tiger-bashing.  You know that the tribe wont win out, its almost impossible for them to do that.  I have faith.

 

I sincerely believe that the Indians are guaranteed to make the playoffs right now. They're just playing too well to not win a substantial amount of the rest of their games. Thus, it's between the Sox and the Yankees to make the playoffs. Yankees have won like 7 of their last 8, and have a relatively easy schedule. It's definitely a tough 13 game finish for the Sox.

[TheBigHurt]

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Sep 20, 2005 -> 09:27 AM)

Hmm...

He inspired me when he wrote this in a thread a few days ago too....

 

Have all you people lost you're minds? 

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Well I find Rock to be one of the most loyal, fiathful Sox fans here, something I actually, sadly, don't see as much as I would hope. And Rock, you're sig is great, too. Funny stuff

[Harry Chappas]

I sincerely believe that the Indians are guaranteed to make the playoffs right now.  They're just playing too well to not win a substantial amount of the rest of their games.  Thus, it's between the Sox and the Yankees to make the playoffs.  Yankees have won like 7 of their last 8, and have a relatively easy schedule.  It's definitely a tough 13 game finish for the Sox.

 

Boston is no sure thing.

[S720]

I feel pretty good about our chances with Mark and Jon on the bump.  Then a little tiger-bashing.  You know that the tribe wont win out, its almost impossible for them to do that.  I have faith.

 

WHY ARE YOU NEGATIVE, THE SKY IS FALLING MINDS STILL ON THIS BOARD? Like SOXFAN1 stated yesterday after the loss, he'll see us next March. If your heart is just not too strong for these kinds of games, then stop watching nor even come to this board. Personally, I believe Buehrle and Garland will win these next two games for us. Everybody will be smiling, high-fiving once again by Thursday morning.

 

Keep up your faith!

 

Go Sox

[Milkman delivers]

WHY ARE YOU NEGATIVE, THE SKY IS FALLING MINDS STILL ON THIS BOARD?  Like SOXFAN1 stated yesterday after the loss, he'll see us next March.  If your heart is just not too strong for these kinds of games, then stop watching nor even come to this board.  Personally, I believe Buehrle and Garland will win these next two games for us.  Everybody will be smiling, high-fiving once again by Thursday morning. 

 

Keep up your faith!Go Sox

 

At what point do you actually realize the sky is falling?

[fathom]

At what point do you actually realize the sky is falling?

 

According to Ozzie, when you're one game behind in the playoffs. Nothing like being reactive instead of proactive!

[LauraJ14]

At what point do you actually realize the sky is falling?

 

 

 

When the season is over; the Sox are still in first place if you haven't noticed.

Now is not the time to be jumping but if you do , don't come back when they are in the playoffs. No one ever said this would be easy and its not supposed to be.