Whitesoxfan56 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 (edited) As of right now, who got the better end of the deal. I know Pods isnt 100%, but if he isnt, then get his ass out of there, all he is doing is hurting this team right now. Lee-.271BA, 32HR, 109RBI, 12SB(2 of 5 after the break),84K's .331OBP, .505SLG Pods-.288BA, 0HR, 24RBI, 56SB(12 of 26 after the break),72K's .351OBP, ..348SLG I dont know about you, but having Lee in the 3 role instead of Carl would make this team a lot better. Take into account how horabile Pods has been, this team would be a hell of a lot better.( remeber we got him to run, if he cant run, he is usless) I am going to now go and take cover, because I have a fealing that you guys are going to bash me for this one. Edited September 22, 2005 by Whitesoxfan56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 From the beginning we knew Milwaukee got the better end of the deal...we were looking for speed and pitching...and we wanted to cut some salary...all those things were done. Would we be better off with Lee in the lineup? No doubt. Is he going to be a free agent? Maybe we'll get him back to be our DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 From the beginning we knew Milwaukee got the better end of the deal...we were looking for speed and pitching...and we wanted to cut some salary...all those things were done. Would we be better off with Lee in the lineup? No doubt. Is he going to be a free agent? Maybe we'll get him back to be our DH. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Brewers have an option on him. I am almost possative about that. I agree with your point about his speed, but if he cant run, whats the use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 10:59 AM) The Brewers have an option on him. I am almost possative about that. I agree with your point about his speed, but if he cant run, whats the use? I didn't say whether I wish the trade hadn't happened or not...just that we did what we wanted to do. Would I take it back? Yeah, I guess. we did win 91 games this year...with the people we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 The key to the deal was the money it freed up for Iguchi and AJ. CLee for Pods and Vizcaino is clearly a winner for Milwaukee. CLee for Iguchi, AJ, Pods and Vizcaino is not a bad deal for the Sox. If money were no object they would be far better to have signed Iguchi and AJ while keeping Lee, but that wasn't an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Both sides got what they needed. Pods got hurt, Lee didn't. Where's the "neither" or "both" option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 10:52 AM) As of right now, who got the better end of the deal. I know Pods isnt 100%, but if he isnt, then get his ass out of there, all he is doing is hurting this team right now. Lee-.271BA, 32HR, 109RBI, 12SB(2 of 5 after the break), .331OBP, .505SLG Pods-.288BA, 0HR, 24RBI, 56SB(12 of 26 after the break), .351OBP, ..348SLG I dont know about you, but having Lee in the 3 role instead of Carl would make this team a lot better. Take into account how horabile Pods has been, this team would be a hell of a lot better.( remeber we got him to run, if he cant run, he is usless) I am going to now go and take cover, because I have a fealing that you guys are going to bash me for this one. They have both been pretty nonexistant in the second half this year....Lee's numbers have declined and he was out for a while with an injury. The same can be said for Podsednik. They both were vital in both their teams offensive success early in the year. As I've stated before I just can't rationalize what Pods brings to the table when he is not stealing bases. His average is .288 but its an 'empty average' because it includes singles and nothing more. So I guess it would be better to have Lee now, but Pods was so important to the Sox first half run you can't say that trade should'nt have been made. Plus you forgot to mention that it opened up the cash to sign AJP and the Duke. As well as brought in Viz (who has been much better in the second half than he gets credit for). The trade had to be made...this is not the time to second guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Great trade for both teams. Both teams got they needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:02 AM) Both sides got what they needed. Pods got hurt, Lee didn't. Where's the "neither" or "both" option? And where is the option for "Not this crap again"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 10:03 AM) And where is the option for "Not this crap again"? You're a BIG SCARY POWERFUL MOD.....edit one in there........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:03 AM) And where is the option for "Not this crap again"? The button is located right next to the 'panic button'...make sure you press the right one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 He'll be a free agent in time, maybe after nest year I think. There are rumors they could trade him to Houston too. Maybe if the White Sox organization weren't so petty and actually were run professionally we could have looked into resigning him in two years. But instead, the Sox do what they like to do, rip someone on the way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) He'll be a free agent in time, maybe after nest year I think. There are rumors they could trade him to Houston too. Maybe if the White Sox organization weren't so petty and actually were run professionally we could have looked into resigning him in two years. But instead, the Sox do what they like to do, rip someone on the way out. Fantastic post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 The big thing with this trade is that it freed up a bunch of money that allowed to get AJ, Dye, and Hermy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess it just goes to show how cheap the managemnt is on the South Side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) I guess it just goes to show how cheap the managemnt is on the South Side I'd love to see you back up that statement with any facts or figures, that couldn't be instantly blown out of the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) I guess it just goes to show how cheap the managemnt is on the South Side This has been discussed to DEATH on this board...its no new fact that we don't have a 125 million dollar payroll. I just don't understand why this is coming up now? :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 I'd love to see you back up that statement with any facts or figures, that couldn't be instantly blown out of the water. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are you trying to back up Jerry? Are you trying to say he isnt cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 This has been discussed to DEATH on this board...its no new fact that we don't have a 125 million dollar payroll. I just don't understand why this is coming up now? :banghead <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well because this trade happend to free up money to get the other players. If he wasnt cheap they wouldnt have had to trade Lee to free up more money. That is why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) Are you trying to back up Jerry? Are you trying to say he isnt cheap? I am backing up the truth here, I don't care who it is. Just because people keep repeating something doesn't make it true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I wonder what WhiteSoxfan56's opinion is. :rolly Don't tailor the choices to your liking or anything.... You make the White Sox option sound bad, and the Brewers to sound good. "Pods was good, but he sucks now." "We need Carlos" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:32 AM) Well because this trade happend to free up money to get the other players. If he wasnt cheap they wouldnt have had to trade Lee to free up more money. That is why Mention nothing of the $12 million that our payroll went up this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 I am backing up the truth here, I don't care who it is. Just because people keep repeating something doesn't make it true. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So I take it that you dont think that Managment is cheap... Its an easy question, just want your opinion here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 Mention nothing of the $12 million that our payroll went up this year... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Great point, never thought of that. Having said that we should have a higher payroll, but i guess it is a useless point, since it has been beaten to death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Whitesoxfan56 @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) So I take it that you dont think that Managment is cheap... Its an easy question, just want your opinion here. I take it your challenge means that you chickened out of my challenge to prove the Sox are cheap. Not a big surprise to be honest. Its easy to say, not nearly as easy to actually prove. But that's OK, I'll play along and let you change the subject. To be honest I believe the payroll is fair for the level of attendance we have. Historically the Sox payroll always goes up by the amount of profits that the team makes in the previous season, and you can't ask for much more. If you don't believe me, go back and check the annual Forbes reports on MLB and take the Sox annual profits. Then go to a list of their annual payrolls and correlate the change to the teams annual PnL. You'll find minus a small profit, they are almost identical. That doesn't bother me at all. A team is a business, and all taking a loss insures is that future teams and organizations will have to pay off those debts somewhere along the way. The only thing the owners of this team are making any money on, is when the value of the team increases, and they can't realize any of those profits until they sell their shares. Sure I'd love a $150 million payroll, but until we draw 35k a night, every night, but it isn't going to happen. If you want to talk about cheap, you need to look at organizations like Tampa Bay and Pittsburgh who are making money hand over fist because they have a minimal payroll, while at the sametime pocketing the revenue sharing money from the other teams. Heck look at a team like the Cubs whose payroll is only $25 million a year more than they Sox, while drawing 10,000 a night more, having a way bigger TV contract, selling way more advertising, having way higher ticket prices (not to mention their little scalping business), and having a much bigger national following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigredrudy Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) He'll be a free agent in time, maybe after nest year I think. There are rumors they could trade him to Houston too. Maybe if the White Sox organization weren't so petty and actually were run professionally we could have looked into resigning him in two years. But instead, the Sox do what they like to do, rip someone on the way out. Where did you hear this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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