White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Travis Hafner. He has carried that team and has put them in position to win the Wild Card and maybe the division. Who do you guys think should be the AL MVP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I think Hafner wasn't good enough wire to wire. Some MVP's win based on the strenght of their September but Guerrero, Rodriguez, and Ortiz have all had great Septembers too. All are better players than Hafner and had better starts. No doubt that Hafner has greatly helped that lineup but I think 4th place is where he should finish and there is no shame at all in that given the three ahead of him. I still don't know who I'd pick to win it all. I'm leaning towards Guerrero because of his good pennant chase numbers and since their lineup isn't deep. However, that ignores the injury time missed and a weak August for Vladdy Daddy. This thing will likely remain undecided until one of them has that signature moment next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 That's the thing with the awards this year is that there is no clear cut winner. Take the Cy Young, nobody has run away from the pack like Santana did last year. I think it might come down to how they do in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 The winner of the AL MVP will be Rodriguez or Ortiz, depending on which team makes the playoffs. No offense to Travis Hafner, but those guys have done it all season, in larger markets. Which we all know matters in the sports world.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I agree with the previous guys, it's probably Ortiz or A-Rod. Vlad is going to be hurt by his time on the DL and Hafner was not good early in the season (on my fantasy team. Glad I didn't cut him!). The might give it to Hafner because of the tear that the Indians are on, but as it was said, the world revolves around the Yankees and Red Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) That's the thing with the awards this year is that there is no clear cut winner. Take the Cy Young, nobody has run away from the pack like Santana did last year. I think it might come down to how they do in the playoffs. It can't, the votes are collected before the postseason begins. My MVP is Ortiz but I can definitely see A-Rod winning it too as the DH debate always comes into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) It can't, the votes are collected before the postseason begins. My MVP is Ortiz but I can definitely see A-Rod winning it too as the DH debate always comes into play. only for MVP i believe. Josh Beckett was a canidate for Cy Young in 03 even though he went 9-8 in the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Nope, CY too. Postseason doesn't matter. I think the most amazing thing is that all four big awards besided ROY could come down to ballot ranking. For some of them, the guy who has the most first place votes could finish 4th on many other ballots. It might just be the guy who gets some first place votes but does not finish worse than second on most. Fascinating stuff in the only sport where this stuff matters. Football MVP? Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 12:40 PM) Nope, CY too. Postseason doesn't matter. I think the most amazing thing is that all four big awards besided ROY could come down to ballot ranking. For some of them, the guy who has the most first place votes could finish 4th on many other ballots. It might just be the guy who gets some first place votes but does not finish worse than second on most. Fascinating stuff in the only sport where this stuff matters. Football MVP? Please. no im pretty sure its just MVP. In fact im positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Victor Martinez is just as responsible for the Indians charge as is Hafner. ARod or Ortiz will be the MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 12:51 PM) Victor Martinez is just as responsible for the Indians charge as is Hafner. ARod or Ortiz will be the MVP. You can make a great case that Grady Sizemore is the Indians MVP, he's quite possibly the best leadoff hitter in the American League right now and carried the Indians the last 2 months. AL Cy Young = Bartolo Colon AL MVP = Alex Rodriguez AL ROY = Huston Street (Cano a close second) AL Rolaids Relief = Mariano Rivera AL Manager of the Year = Eric Wedge NL Cy Young = Chris Carpenter (Willis/Clemens battle for 2nd) NL MVP = Albert Pujols (Andruw Jones close 2nd) NL ROY = Ryan Howard (Francouer a close 2nd) NL Rolaids Relief = Chad Cordero NL Manager of the Year = Tony Larussa (or Bobby Cox) EDIT: For some reason I mixed up Pujols and Jones. Edited September 22, 2005 by Kalapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 01:26 PM) You can make a great case that Grady Sizemore is the Indians MVP, he's quite possibly the best leadoff hitter in the American League right now and carried the Indians the last 2 months. AL Cy Young = Bartolo Colon AL MVP = Alex Rodriguez AL ROY = Huston Street (Cano a close second) AL Rolaids Relief = Mariano Rivera AL Manager of the Year = Eric Wedge NL Cy Young = Chris Carpenter (Willis/Clemens battle for 2nd) NL MVP = Andruw Jones (Pujols very close 2nd) NL ROY = Ryan Howard (Francouer a close 2nd) NL Rolaids Relief = Chad Cordero NL Manager of the Year = Tony Larussa (or Bobby Cox) Iguchi should be ROY IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 01:44 PM) Iguchi should be ROY IMHO. IMO, Iguchi is not a rookie seeing how he's 30 years old and has been playing professional ball for 9 years now. Not to mention the fact that Huston Street is having a better year than him. Street: 5-1 1.58 ERA, 0.99 WHIP, 70 K/74 IP, 21 SV Cano: .291/.317/.449 12 HR 58 RBI 71 R 33 2B 65 SO 1 SB 2 CS Iguchi: .277/.343/.437 13 HR 67 RBI 70 R 24 2B 109 SO 14 SB 5 CS ROY wise Street>>>Cano>>>Iguchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) That's the thing with the awards this year is that there is no clear cut winner. Take the Cy Young, nobody has run away from the pack like Santana did last year. I think it might come down to how they do in the playoffs. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 06:26 PM) You can make a great case that Grady Sizemore is the Indians MVP, he's quite possibly the best leadoff hitter in the American League right now and carried the Indians the last 2 months. Don't tell that to jphat, who would rather have Pods than Sizemore for a leadoff hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 (edited) David Ortiz for MVP. I don't give a s*** if he's JUST a DH. That guy is a monster at the plate and has more clutch hits and HRs from the 7th inning on. It'll come down to him and A-Rod. But my choice is Big Papi. Edited September 22, 2005 by robinventura23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) no im pretty sure its just MVP. In fact im positive. I'm sorry but you're positively wrong. For some reason, I can't find a great source for the rules but I did find a page about the 2003 ROY voting which follows the same rules. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writ...ovan/08/20/roy/ Ballots for the 2003 award are due in before the first pitch of the division series That and I bet Curt Schilling would have gotten more than 0 votes after the whole bloody sock incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I'll give it a shot. I'll add my preseason picks if I can remember them. I didn't do preseason picks for the last two categories AL Cy Young = Bartolo Colon..........Preseason-Colon (got one right!) AL MVP = Vlad Guerrero................Preseason-Hideki Matsui. Oops. AL ROY = Robinson Cano (Yankee resurgence began with his call-up) Preseason-Kazmir AL Rolaids Relief = Mariano Rivera (Wickman an honorable mention) AL Manager of the Year = Eric Wedge. Not really close with Ozzie's implosion and the fact that even though the A's turned it around-Ken Macha will not be back next year. NL Cy Young = Carpenter.....................Preseason-Peavy NL MVP = Albert Pujols.........................Preseason-Pujols. MVP's don't hit 270 or below and Jones is no more important to that team than Furcal or Chipper NL ROY = Ryan Howard......................Preseason-JJ Hardy. A dud pick NL Rolaids Relief = Trevor Hoffman. It's not easy to argue against Cordero but Hoffman has been the one constant for this playoff team. COrdero has a whip under 1 and an era a run lower but Hoffman has walked just nine guys this year and has had a better September than Cordero. Close call though NL Manager of the Year = Tony La Russa. Losing Rolen, Molina, Sanders, and Walker is not insignificant. This feels a bit like it will be a referendum on who is better between TLR and Cox which might not be fair to either but I think that's how it will be voted on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Bobby Cox - So damn good all the time that people never even look at him for manager of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Ortiz is my pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(DonkeyKongerko @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) I'm sorry but you're positively wrong. For some reason, I can't find a great source for the rules but I did find a page about the 2003 ROY voting which follows the same rules. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writ...ovan/08/20/roy/ That and I bet Curt Schilling would have gotten more than 0 votes after the whole bloody sock incident. than how come Josh Beckett was a nominated in 03 when he was 9-8 in the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) than how come Josh Beckett was a nominated in 03 when he was 9-8 in the regular season. Nominated for what? The only guys to recieve votes for Cy Young in '03 were Gagne, Schmidt, Prior and Russ Ortiz. Beckett won World Series MVP that year, but that's the only award he even recieved a vote for. You're Beckett arguement doesn't hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted September 22, 2005 Author Share Posted September 22, 2005 My Preseason Picks AL MVP: Vlad; Likely winner: Ortiz AL CY Young: Buehrle; Likely Winner: No Clue NL MVP: Pujols; Likely Winner: Andruw Jones NL CY Young: Jake Peavy; Chris Carpenter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) My Preseason Picks AL MVP: Vlad; Likely winner: Ortiz AL CY Young: Buehrle; Likely Winner: No Clue NL MVP: Pujols; Likely Winner: Andruw Jones NL CY Young: Jake Peavy; Chris Carpenter Actually right now A-Rod has a better chance at winning the AL MVP and probably Pujols over Andruw. And you still havn't explained that Josh Becket '03 Cy Young Candidate thing. Edited September 24, 2005 by Kalapse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 22, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) than how come Josh Beckett was a nominated in 03 when he was 9-8 in the regular season. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The awards are determined by the writers so technically EVERY pitcher is "nominated." http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb...s_mlb&fext=.jsp NL CY YOUNG AWARD Player 1 2 3 Total Gagne 28 2 - 146 Schmidt 2 17 12 73 Prior 2 11 17 60 Ortiz -- 2 3 9 Edited September 22, 2005 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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