DBAHO Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Before the season began, I remember Gene Honda Civic predicted that Dye could go .280/30HR/100RBI's due to the Cell Factor. Well after tonight, he's hit the 30HR mark and is hitting .273 with 84RBI's. For $4,000,000 this season compared to other RF's making about the same amount or more; Richard Hidalgo - .211/.286/.412 ($5,000,000) Casey Blake - .240/.311/.442 ($2,250,000) Jeromy Burnitz - .260/.326/.439 ($4,500,000) Jacque Jones - .251/.323/.446 ($5,000,000) Aubrey Huff - .262/.320/426 ($4,916,667) He ranks 7th in OPS for qualified RF's and is 2nd in SLG behind Vlad. He's been a great pick up to replace Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 He stayed healthy. That was the big question coming into this year. Aside from some spider bites...he stayed healthy. Those were the numbers he was going to put up if healthy. Far cry from May...when 1/2 of this board was calling for his head on a platter. Man I'm glad I stuck by the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 24, 2005 -> 11:29 PM) Before the season began, I remember Gene Honda Civic predicted that Dye could go .280/30HR/100RBI's due to the Cell Factor. Well after tonight, he's hit the 30HR mark and is hitting .273 with 84RBI's. For $4,000,000 this season compared to other RF's making about the same amount or more; Richard Hidalgo - .211/.286/.412 ($5,000,000) Casey Blake - .240/.311/.442 ($2,250,000) Jeromy Burnitz - .260/.326/.439 ($4,500,000) Jacque Jones - .251/.323/.446 ($5,000,000) Aubrey Huff - .262/.320/426 ($4,916,667) He ranks 7th in OPS for qualified RF's and is 2nd in SLG behind Vlad. He's been a great pick up to replace Maggs. Yes, Dead I mean Dye has been huge for us this season besides that forgetful semi first half slump. If it weren't for him we would be in BIG trouble. Props to Dye on getting back on track and contributing to a team that really needs him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) Too bad we didn't sign Emil Brown. He's from Chicago, makes less than 1/10 of Dye's salary, and has actually been better than Dye this year. Edited September 25, 2005 by 3E8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 25, 2005 Author Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) Too bad we didn't sign Emil Brown. He's from Chicago, makes less than 1/10 of Dye's salary, and has actually been better than Dye this year. I don't agree with that. Dye has 15 more HR's than Brown. He has a better slugging percentage. He has a better arm than Brown. I don't think Brown's going to put up the same numbers next season as this one though, this is the only time in his career, he's been effective in the major leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) I don't agree with that. Dye has 15 more HR's than Brown. He has a better slugging percentage. He has a better arm than Brown. I don't think Brown's going to put up the same numbers next season as this one though, this is the only time in his career, he's been effective in the major leagues. For the money brown>>> dye. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 25, 2005 Author Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) For the money brown>>> dye. No? Yeah, but Brown's not a better player than Dye. Besides, it's not like Dye's contract is breaking the bank here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 01:12 AM) I don't agree with that. Dye has 15 more HR's than Brown. He has a better slugging percentage. He has a better arm than Brown. I don't think Brown's going to put up the same numbers next season as this one though, this is the only time in his career, he's been effective in the major leagues. Brown 2 less RBI with 15 less home runs? wow. Brown has a higher batting average. He has a higher OBP. Brown 88 runs created, Dye 72 runs created. Brown 18 win shares, Dye 15 win shares (that's with Dye's inflated and Brown's deflated.) They both suck in the field. 05 Brown > 05 Dye. Not even taking salary into consideration. Edited September 25, 2005 by 3E8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 12:29 AM) Before the season began, I remember Gene Honda Civic predicted that Dye could go .280/30HR/100RBI's due to the Cell Factor. .270+/.340/.490 -- 30 HR's 90+ RBI's 120K's also... Dye will out-perform Maggs -- I know, I know. You think I'm crazy now. But think about it. Maggs traveled all over god's green earth searching for a doctor that would give him an answer he wanted to hear. Today's workout, where Maggs was going to prove his health to prospective teams, was cancelled. Why? Hmmm... I wonder. Could it be that he's not as healthy as he'd like us to believe? Dye is coming off of a solid, though not spectacular, season in which he was finally recovered from that horrific leg injury suffered in the 2002 playoffs. He will benefit from playing 81 games in one of the most hitter friendly parks in baseball. Magglio? Who knows. Now I should qualify my assertion that Dye will "outperform" Maggs. I mean that Dye will have better counting stats than will Magglio. I would take a bet of Dye's HR+RBI vs. Maggs HR+RBI, so long as Maggs doesn't somehow end up in Coors field. Edited September 25, 2005 by Gene Honda Civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 01:08 AM) Too bad we didn't sign Emil Brown. He's from Chicago, makes less than 1/10 of Dye's salary, and has actually been better than Dye this year. Even KC fans were pissed he made the team. -- Simply put, nobody could have seen his season coming. He's Ross Gload though. Zero pitchers fear him. The chances of him putting together a repeat .800 OPS season are slim and none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 25, 2005 Author Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 04:18 PM) Brown 2 less RBI with 15 less home runs? wow. Brown has a higher batting average. He has a higher OBP. Brown 88 runs created, Dye 72 runs created. Brown 18 win shares, Dye 15 win shares (that's with Dye's inflated and Brown's deflated.) They both suck in the field. 05 Brown > 05 Dye. Not even taking salary into consideration. Brown's been hitting in the cleanup spot because KC has no-one else to put there. Dye's hitting at #6. If Dye hits at #4 for KC, how many more RBI would he put up with the likes of DeJesus and Sweeney in front of him? But like Gene said, the chances of Brown putting up another season like this are slim to none. If you take away Dye's bad start, he'd have a .300+ AVG as well. After Brown's May and June, he's only hitting around the .270's with pretty weak power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 02:30 AM) Brown's been hitting in the cleanup spot because KC has no-one else to put there. Dye's hitting at #6. If Dye hits at #4 for KC, how many more RBI would he put up with the likes of DeJesus and Sweeney in front of him? The majority of Brown's AB's come from the #5 spot. Going into tonight's game, Brown had 134 AB's with RISP, Dye had 127 AB's with RISP. Hitting cleanup didn't give him a colossal advantage. Brown had 1 more RBI with 14 less home runs. But like Gene said, the chances of Brown putting up another season like this are slim to none. Probably true. But my argument the whole time is that Brown has been better this year. I'd account for the fact that pitchers don't fear him, but I don't know how. If you take away Dye's bad start, he'd have a .300+ AVG as well. Aunt. Balls. Uncle. I took away Dye's two worst months and he still wasn't a .300 hitter. Take away Brown's one terrible month ( After Brown's May and June, he's only hitting around the .270's with pretty weak power. Let me get this straight, you want to remove Dye's worst months, remove Brown's best months, and then compare them? That's fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bartman's my idol Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Brown's been hitting in the cleanup spot because KC has no-one else to put there. Dye's hitting at #6. If Dye hits at #4 for KC, how many more RBI would he put up with the likes of DeJesus and Sweeney in front of him? But like Gene said, the chances of Brown putting up another season like this are slim to none. If you take away Dye's bad start, he'd have a .300+ AVG as well. After Brown's May and June, he's only hitting around the .270's with pretty weak power. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It doesn't matter where he hit in the line up, even if he hit 9th, he should of knocked in the winning run in the 9th inning against the Twins the first game, he choked, but has picked it up the last 2 games. Lets hope he continues to do it the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 08:19 AM) It doesn't matter where he hit in the line up, even if he hit 9th, he should of knocked in the winning run in the 9th inning against the Twins the first game, he choked, but has picked it up the last 2 games. Lets hope he continues to do it the rest of the year. And he won the game the other day with his 3-run HR.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 08:19 AM) It doesn't matter where he hit in the line up, even if he hit 9th, he should of knocked in the winning run in the 9th inning against the Twins the first game, he choked, but has picked it up the last 2 games. Lets hope he continues to do it the rest of the year. I've been watching games for over 40 years so I'm pretty good at not letting momentary swings of emotion get to me. But that one stuck. There are only 3 or 4 outcomes to that at bat that don't score the run and he found one of them. The pitch was absolutely perfect for him, in the middle about thigh high with almost no movement. I think that's what surprised him, his eyes got big as saucers, he tried to put it on the moon and he popped it up. I don't think he went up there trying for a homer but it was such a cookie he just reacted -and missed. aaaaargh! He's done great things since then, the White Sox don't win Friday without him, so I am not on his case but, Oh boy did Thursday's at bat hurt. Every day is a new day in baseball, bless Jermaine for putting it behind him and playing well. I haven't quite put that one behind me yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Montana Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) JD has done everything we could ask from him. He's stayed healthy Edited September 25, 2005 by Ozzie Montana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 08:28 AM) And he won the game the other day with his 3-run HR.. This is exactly how timo gets by. People just remember when he is ''clutch'' and happen to forget when he not so... ''clutch''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) This is exactly how timo gets by. People just remember when he is ''clutch'' and happen to forget when he not so... ''clutch''. His "clutch" rating at THT is second worst among AL right fielders. -4.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 12:18 AM) They both suck in the field. Come again? Dye sucks in the field? Uh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(BobDylan @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 05:52 PM) Come again? Dye sucks in the field? Uh... Uh...Uh... Second worst fielding percentage amongst all qualified OUTFIELDERS in entire MLB. I can think of two games in particular where errors by him in the 9th inning directly resulted in a loss. Not to mention the times he's overrun a ball or shown off his cannon by missing the cutoff man and allowing runners to advance. Edited September 25, 2005 by 3E8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dye used to be good in the field but those days are behind him. He has been pretty bad out there this season not liability bad but below avg. Rowand is like our savior out there defensivly with Pods and Dye at the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) This is exactly how timo gets by. People just remember when he is ''clutch'' and happen to forget when he not so... ''clutch''. Nah, I remember when he's not so clutch, I'm just pointing it out since people seem to look over that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 07:03 PM) Dye used to be good in the field but those days are behind him. He has been pretty bad out there this season not liability bad but below avg. Rowand is like our savior out there defensivly with Pods and Dye at the corners. How many times has Dye's arm stopped runners going from 1st to 3rd. We were terrible at holding guys for years. Maggs was horrible at it. Minnesota ate us alive going from 1st to 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 J.Dye has done fine no complaints from me now Everett that is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dye didn't choke Thursday night. He failed. There's a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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