Punch and Judy Garland Posted September 30, 2005 Share Posted September 30, 2005 With all the media hype surrounding Big Papi, let's take a look at the numbers for htis year against the 2 DH's from 2000. You might be surprised Ortiz 298/394/605 47 homers, 146 ribbies, 117 runs, and 122 K's Giambi 333/476/647 43 homers, 137 ribbies, 108 runs, and 96 K's Thomas 328/436/625 43 homers, 142 ribbies, 115 runs, and 94 K's Clearly, to me, the 2000 Dh's had better numbers. In conclusion, in case any yahoo tries to tell you that Ortiz has had a historic season-it's hyperbole because The Big Hurt and Jason Giambi were better just 5 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 the steroid era called, it wants its numbers back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 Frank Thomas juiced? News to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 It's a historic season for the way he's put up those numbers, not so much for them, even though his numbers are absolutely incredible. what a stupid post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 Well, people are acting like even though he;s been a DH he's had this otherworldly season by DH standards and clearly it's not the greatest ever for a DH. Not surprised that you took an opportunity to slurp your boys though. Is the approval to the SOSH boards still pending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Take Manny out of that lineup, which the Red Sox will do this offseason, and Papi's numbers fall hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 05:52 AM) Well, people are acting like even though he;s been a DH he's had this otherworldly season by DH standards and clearly it's not the greatest ever for a DH. Not surprised that you took an opportunity to slurp your boys though. Is the approval to the SOSH boards still pending? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not "slurping" my boys, anyone whose a fan of baseball should be able to recognize what David Ortiz has done and acknowledge it. You're obviously having trouble doing so. approval to SoSH? what are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 30, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) I'm not "slurping" my boys, anyone whose a fan of baseball should be able to recognize what David Ortiz has done and acknowledge it. You're obviously having trouble doing so. approval to SoSH? what are you talking about? Everyone here knows that Ortiz is a great player and is having a fantastic season but how is it historical? I think that's the point Punch is trying to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 06:18 AM) Everyone here knows that Ortiz is a great player and is having a fantastic season but how is it historical? I think that's the point Punch is trying to make. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Everybody on this board was in love with Timo Perez for what he did in clutch situations at times last year. Multiply what Timo Perez did last year for the White Sox in clutch situations times some obscurd number, and you have about what David Ortiz has done this year for the Red Sox in clutch situations. 21 game tieing or game winning home runs? The man could very well be the best hitter in baseball right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I think the best hitter would have the best average, OBP, SLG, or some combination of the three, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) Everybody on this board was in love with Timo Perez for what he did in clutch situations at times last year. Lies. I've been happy for the White Sox when Timo has gotten a game winning hit, and I've been happy for Timo...I do not recall EVER loving Timo Perez on this team. Knowing how "clutch" he is, I've been calling for him to be gone for a year and a half now. He can have the game winning hit in game 7 of the World Series, and I'll still trade him for a bag of balls. 21 game tieing or game winning home runs? The man could very well be the best hitter in baseball right now. Does game tying include a solo shot in the first inning to tie the game at 1-1? Does game winning include a 2 run homer in the 5th to put Boston up 5-3, and Boston ends up winning by that same exact score? If so, I'd assume that 21, while still impressive, is definately a bit inflated. How many game-tying/winning homers does he have in close and late situations? Considering his splits of .346 11 33 1.293 in close and late situations, while still incredibly impressing, screams to me that his 21 game tying/winning homers is way inflated. Technically speaking, he may have 21...but there really are very few clutch hits in the 4th inning of a game, especially during the regular season. Edited October 1, 2005 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 ARod for MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Clutch is 5 career walk off home runs by the man the myth the legend, JOE CREDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 How did I know this thread would lead other posters into picking a fight with redandwhite? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) Clutch is 5 career walk off home runs by the man the myth the legend, JOE CREDE Joltin' Joe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 1, 2005 Author Share Posted October 1, 2005 I really wasn't trying to pick a fight by starting the thread, just a discussion. Mainly, its to appreciate Franks' great season which didn't land an award. I don't usually start topics looking for a particular person to respond. Anyways, A-rod 4 for 5 today, Ortiz had an insignificant day at the dish today. I think Ortiz needs to single-handedly put his team into the wild card tomorrow in order to have a shot at the mvp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 03:40 PM) How did I know this thread would lead other posters into picking a fight with redandwhite? :rolly I think R&W started the fight picking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 08:51 PM) I think R&W started the fight picking. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No fight was picked, I'd feel the same way if I was a fan of the Cubs or Mets or Braves or whomever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) I really wasn't trying to pick a fight by starting the thread, just a discussion. Mainly, its to appreciate Franks' great season which didn't land an award. I don't usually start topics looking for a particular person to respond. Anyways, A-rod 4 for 5 today, Ortiz had an insignificant day at the dish today. I think Ortiz needs to single-handedly put his team into the wild card tomorrow in order to have a shot at the mvp <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It was said before the weekend started that the MVP would go to whomever made it to the playoffs and that Ortiz was in the lead. If they both make the playoffs, Ortiz probably would still be in the "lead." Although you're right, slappy did have a hell of a day today, he might have surpassed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) Everybody on this board was in love with Timo Perez for what he did in clutch situations at times last year. Multiply what Timo Perez did last year for the White Sox in clutch situations times some obscurd number, and you have about what David Ortiz has done this year for the Red Sox in clutch situations. 21 game tieing or game winning home runs? The man could very well be the best hitter in baseball right now. the best hitter in baseball doesnt have a BA under 300 and an OBP under 400. and i agree that we'll see how good he really is once manny's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(Reddy @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 09:36 PM) the best hitter in baseball doesnt have a BA under 300 and an OBP under 400. and i agree that we'll see how good he really is once manny's gone. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the best hitter right now is what I said, and in september he has a batting average of .320 an OBP of .425 a SLG of .670 with 11 home runs and 29 rbi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) I think R&W started the fight picking. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know, but I had a debate on whether or not I should've put my comments in green. Redandwhite, it all started with you calling yet another post you didin't agree with "stupid." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) Redandwhite, it all started with you calling yet another post you didin't agree with "stupid." <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, Jack. There already is an MVP thread, no one is calling this season heroic for Ortiz' numbers, but more so how he's put up those numbers as I explained. This is a waste of a thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 He is not a better hitter than Albert Pujols. It's not even close. When he puts up Pujols numbers for 5 straight years, let me know and maybe we can call him the best hitter in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Again: the best hitter right now is what I said, and in september he has a batting average of .320 an OBP of .425 a SLG of .670 with 11 home runs and 29 rbi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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