Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 technically Jimmy Rollins is better right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 2, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) Again: the best hitter right now is what I said, and in september he has a batting average of .320 an OBP of .425 a SLG of .670 with 11 home runs and 29 rbi. .... Jesus man everytime someone says anything negative about the redsox you always take it personel or something. We know your a fan but if someone is making a negative comment about them you dont have to make the whole thread an argument about it. Just in 1 post state your opinion and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Hey, how about this.... f*** THE RED SOX, RED SOX NATION AND DAVID ORTIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW BOUT THEM APPLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 2, 2005 -> 09:16 PM) .... Jesus man everytime someone says anything negative about the redsox you always take it personel or something. We know your a fan but if someone is making a negative comment about them you dont have to make the whole thread an argument about it. Just in 1 post state your opinion and be done with it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is redandwhite the baseball fan, not the red sox fan. you can say whatever you want about the red sox, it really doesn't bother me, but when it's wrong i'll discuss. afterall, thats what these boards are for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Oct 2, 2005 -> 09:37 PM) Hey, how about this.... f*** THE RED SOX, RED SOX NATION AND DAVID ORTIZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW BOUT THEM APPLESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Haha, nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 2, 2005 -> 09:38 PM) This is redandwhite the baseball fan, not the red sox fan. you can say whatever you want about the red sox, it really doesn't bother me, but when it's wrong i'll discuss. afterall, thats what these boards are for. Well thats the thing it obviously does bother you because everyone negative said about them you take so personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 2, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) This is redandwhite the baseball fan, not the red sox fan. you can say whatever you want about the red sox, it really doesn't bother me, but when it's wrong i'll discuss. afterall, thats what these boards are for. The White Sox paved the way for the Red Sox to get into the playoffs. Now we are going to take them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 05:57 AM) The White Sox paved the way for the Red Sox to get into the playoffs. Now we are going to take them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 04:01 AM) Well thats the thing it obviously does bother you because everyone negative said about them you take so personally. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't take anything personal except of course for example aboz's and yasny's posts which are directed at me, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) The White Sox paved the way for the Red Sox to get into the playoffs. Now we are going to take them out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Live it up, best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:44 AM) I don't take anything personal except of course for example aboz's and yasny's posts which are directed at me, personally. Nothing personal beyond the fact you're a Red Sox fan. It was intended in a good natured way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 12:50 AM) It's a historic season for the way he's put up those numbers, not so much for them, even though his numbers are absolutely incredible. what a stupid post... what do you mean by the way he put up the numbers? Is he using a special bat, or closing one eye? Either way, Pronk and A-rod deserve it more. I actually like mike Young's season as well, even though it would never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) what do you mean by the way he put up the numbers? Is he using a special bat, or closing one eye? Either way, Pronk and A-rod deserve it more. I actually like mike Young's season as well, even though it would never happen. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hahaha. Hafner are you kidding me? The case can be made for A-Rod, but Hafner? I was wrong, you aren't better than that. Again quit while you're behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) Nothing personal beyond the fact you're a Red Sox fan. It was intended in a good natured way. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Hahaha. Hafner are you kidding me? The case can be made for A-Rod, but Hafner? I was wrong, you aren't better than that. Again quit while you're behind. Listen son. When you grow up you will realize that you need to form your own opinions. Until then, your high school brain will continue to grow and mature beyond its current state. Yes Hafner, becaue I still think that MVP should be the most valuable player, not the most popular. I think Hafner's performance down the stretch on the hottest team in baseball at the time was MVP worthy. And in all honestly, if Mark hadnt knocked him out of the lineup for several weeks, his stats may have been better than your man-crush. Ortiz and A-rod are on the two richest teams, surrounded by all-star talent. Ortiz is protected by who might be one of the best right handed hitting players of all time. This is all besides the point. Ortiz does not deserve the MVP this year because not only is A-rod as good offensively, he actually plays the field, and is a great player on that side of the ball as well. He is a better player, is in the game 100 percent more often, and therefore is more valuable. Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) Listen son. When you grow up you will realize that you need to form your own opinions. Until then, your high school brain will continue to grow and mature beyond its current state. Yes Hafner, becaue I still think that MVP should be the most valuable player, not the most popular. I think Hafner's performance down the stretch on the hottest team in baseball at the time was MVP worthy. And in all honestly, if Mark hadnt knocked him out of the lineup for several weeks, his stats may have been better than your man-crush. Ortiz and A-rod are on the two richest teams, surrounded by all-star talent. Ortiz is protected by who might be one of the best right handed hitting players of all time. This is all besides the point. Ortiz does not deserve the MVP this year because not only is A-rod as good offensively, he actually plays the field, and is a great player on that side of the ball as well. He is a better player, is in the game 100 percent more often, and therefore is more valuable. Thanks for playing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What on earth are you talking about? Age, race, the color of the sky.. none of that should matter in this argument. Normally I would never say someone's opinion is wrong, but its tough with you, because nine times out of ten thats exactly what you are. It's hard to imagine how you came up with Hafner being more valuable, because in every aspect of the game, Ortiz has been just as good if not more, and this time you don't have the defensive argument to boot. The difference between the two's batting average, on-base percentage, and slugging is so miniscule its pointless to differentiate. However, the power numbers, your home runs and rbis, is a completely different story. Ortiz has 14 more home runs and 40-plus more rbi's than Hafner. There are players in the league that start and don't have 14 home runs and 40-plus rbis, and on the White Sox that might as well be a 6-7 hitter in the line-up. David Ortiz has out performed Travis Hafner not only this year statistically, but down the stretch as well. As for Slappy, it's a good debate, a great one infact. However, Ortiz was 19 for 48 with nine homers and 23 RBIs from the seventh inning on with a chance to tie or put the Red Sox ahead. Not even Slappy can say that. It was said yesterday on ESPN by one of the analysts, a channel I normally enjoy watching for its comedy, that David Ortiz is the most feared hitter in baseball right now. Alex Rodriguez isn't even the most feared hitter on his team. David Ortiz will win the MVP, and any such praise he has gotten has been more than deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Hafner doesn't play on the East coast, Stupid Rock. :rolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:10 PM) Hafner doesn't play on the East coast, Stupid Rock. :rolly <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Explain how an East coast bias has any pull in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:40 PM) What on earth are you talking about? Age, race, the color of the sky.. none of that should matter in this argument. Normally I would never say someone's opinion is wrong, but its tough with you, because nine times out of ten thats exactly what you are. David Ortiz has out performed Travis Hafner not only this year statistically, but down the stretch as well. As for Slappy, it's a good debate, a great one infact. However, Ortiz was 19 for 48 with nine homers and 23 RBIs from the seventh inning on with a chance to tie or put the Red Sox ahead. Not even Slappy can say that. It was said yesterday on ESPN by one of the analysts, a channel I normally enjoy watching for its comedy, that David Ortiz is the most feared hitter in baseball right now. Alex Rodriguez isn't even the most feared hitter on his team. David Ortiz will win the MVP, and any such praise he has gotten has been more than deserved. Oh geez, I would love to argue with you, but it would be easier if you would stick to what I said, and stop trying to steer the argument somewhere else. I said Hafner wasnt as good statistically, and alot of that has to do with his time off. But he also was more valuable on a team with less proection around him, coming from behind in a race, and a lower payroll. But I still think Ortiz is better, he's my keeper on fantasy for three years, I know how good he is. It comes down to this, and please, argue if you can. If the offensive numbers are equal, why should the DH win over a player who plays gold glove defense as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) Explain how an East coast bias has any pull in this situation. It was more of a joke, nothing directed towards you or David Ortiz, so check your insecurity at the door. I just find it funny that the media won't even dare mention names outside David Ortiz or Alex Rodriguez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) It was more of a joke, nothing directed towards you or David Ortiz, so check your insecurity at the door. I just find it funny that the media won't even dare mention names outside David Ortiz or Alex Rodriguez. I got the joke, so at least 50 percent success rate at that. I dont understand it either. I think the overall value of the player should weigh more than just their offensive numbers pure and simple. I really do think that A-rod is extremely valuable, not only for his bat, but his excellent defense. On another note. If you look at the word value. Shouldnt the cost of the player relative to the teams payroll be factored in? Just a suggestion. Because then A-rod would just be living up to his price tag, not really a value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Hahaha. Hafner are you kidding me? The case can be made for A-Rod, but Hafner? I was wrong, you aren't better than that. Again quit while you're behind. I thought Shannon Stewart was the MVP in 2003. His numbers weren't close to that of ARod or anyone else up for MVP consideration. MVP = most valuable player. You take Hafner out of the Indians lineup, and I would venture to guess that there is a chance they don't win 85, perhaps 80. You take Ortiz out of the Boston lineup, and they'll still win 90. ARods gonna win it anyways, so this entire argument seems to be moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:23 PM) It comes down to this, and please, argue if you can. If the offensive numbers are equal, why should the DH win over a player who plays gold glove defense as well? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Im glad you've come to your senses, and I feel no need to continue to discuss the first part of your post because it would only waste time. As for how a DH can win over a player who plays gold... well hold on a second here, lets stop right there. Slappy is second to last in both his Zone Rating and Range Factor and is middle of the pack for all other statistics. With that being said, the statistics are a tad misleading, because slappy is a solid third baseman, but he doesn't deserve the gold glove, isn't a gold glove third baseman, and is only being percieved as one for something you've accused me of multiple times, popularity and bias. not to mention i don't think its fair to penalize a player for a team placing him at a position where he has the best chance to succeed and help his team win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:34 PM) I thought Shannon Stewart was the MVP in 2003. His numbers weren't close to that of ARod or anyone else up for MVP consideration. MVP = most valuable player. You take Hafner out of the Indians lineup, and I would venture to guess that there is a chance they don't win 85, perhaps 80. You take Ortiz out of the Boston lineup, and they'll still win 90. ARods gonna win it anyways, so this entire argument seems to be moot. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Red Sox win 90 games without Ortiz? Not a single chance. As for Slappy winning the MVP, I'll make a wager with you, if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) On another note. If you look at the word value. Shouldnt the cost of the player relative to the teams payroll be factored in? Just a suggestion. Because then A-rod would just be living up to his price tag, not really a value. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Messing around or not, that brings up another good point. Right now David Ortiz is the biggest bargain in the game aswell. Keep digging, pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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