Dick Allen Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Doesn't JR own the Bulls? Why does huge Bulls news come out when the Sox are in the playoffs? Jordan retired in 93, now this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 07:44 PM) Is David Lee as good as the buzz or has he been inflated so the Bulls will ite on him instead of Sweetney. Is this Knick spin? All that I've personally see of him is that he can dunk. I think he's overrated alot, especially by Knick fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) Let's see...if this makes sure we have the money freed up to resign Hinrich, and in the future Deng and Gordon...then this is a wonderful move. If Eddy Curry comes out and turns into Wilt Chamberlain...well, in that case it might not be the greatest move ever. But that's about the only real way that trading him at this point has a downside. But anything less than that...and Pax managed to trade off a guy who was not going to resign with us next year, who may not have even played for us next year, and who never seemed to fit in with this team ("jump"). I hope he got some draft picks out of it. I have enough faith in Pax so as to say those would be more valuable than any players he'd pick up from NY. Edited October 4, 2005 by Balta1701 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) Let's see...if this makes sure we have the money freed up to resign Hinrich, and in the future Deng and Gordon...then this is a wonderful move. If Eddy Curry comes out and turns into Wilt Chamberlain...well, in that case it might not be the greatest move ever. But anything less than that...and Pax managed to trade off a guy who was not going to resign with us next year, who may not have even played for us next year, and who never seemed to fit in with this team ("jump"). I hope he got some draft picks out of it. My guess is a first round pick will be involved ( that is also the general consensus). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I can't understand Curry & I can't understand the Knicks. The Bulls offer him $20M/50 yr if he fails the test. This is a PR nightmare for any team trading for him. If he plays w/out taking the test & God forbid a stroke or even worse a fatality occurs the franchise will be viewed as stupid, ignorant, & heartless. What franchise wants to risk that? What's worse is why isn't the NBAPA doing something? Why don't they arrange the test in private just so Curry himself knows his risk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 07:59 PM) Doesn't JR own the Bulls? Why does huge Bulls news come out when the Sox are in the playoffs? Jordan retired in 93, now this. lol. This news isn't anywhere close to as huge as when Jordan retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 08:04 PM) I can't understand Curry & I can't understand the Knicks. The Bulls offer him $20M/50 yr if he fails the test. This is a PR nightmare for any team trading for him. If he plays w/out taking the test & God forbid a stroke or even worse a fatality occurs the franchise will be viewed as stupid, ignorant, & heartless. What franchise wants to risk that? What's worse is why isn't the NBAPA doing something? Why don't they arrange the test in private just so Curry himself knows his risk? I agree. This is my own personal opinion(and that of some of us on RealGM). I think Eddy took the test on his own without anyone being notified, found out he failed and decided to just absolutely refure to take the test for the Bulls. If he takes the test for the Bulls, the NBAPA would be pissed because it goes against "privacy" issues. Even Eddy's family said that they don't want him risking himself which I think he is. I love Eddy as he's a very likeable guy and a very nice guy. I just think this is a mistake and I would hate to see something happen to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 MSG SportsDesk just reported we received Eddy Curry and Antonio Davis and Chicago got Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jermaine Jackson and 2 picks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 07:04 PM) I can't understand Curry & I can't understand the Knicks. The Bulls offer him $20M/50 yr if he fails the test. This is a PR nightmare for any team trading for him. If he plays w/out taking the test & God forbid a stroke or even worse a fatality occurs the franchise will be viewed as stupid, ignorant, & heartless. What franchise wants to risk that? What's worse is why isn't the NBAPA doing something? Why don't they arrange the test in private just so Curry himself knows his risk? The NBAPA would never arrange for something like that...even if it could cost a person a life. They're not as strong as the MLBPA, but there is so much potential data in a DNA Test...from conditions that could develop as people get older to information on how the body will react to different stresses that it would be absolute insanity for the NBAPA to push that in any way, shape, or form, at least if their job is to represent the majority of their clients. Imagine yourself in this position...you take a DNA test for 1 particular condition. You pass on that condition, but you learn you might be at risk for heart disease. How would you respond if that leaked out to your insurance company? What would they do? If an NBA Team got hold of a player's DNA test...it could cost the player millions of dollars. That's why Rose has been so adamant on it. If Curry was smart he'd have it done himself and have the doctors sign all sorts of legal waivers making him a billionaire if the results leaked out, but any sort of public pressure or release of details would be a horrible thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Oct 4, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) MSG SportsDesk just reported we received Eddy Curry and Antonio Davis and Chicago got Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jermaine Jackson and 2 picks! Wow. Now that's a good deal for the Bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 08:09 PM) MSG SportsDesk just reported we received Eddy Curry and Antonio Davis and Chicago got Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jermaine Jackson and 2 picks! We robbed the Knicks if that is the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) lol. This news isn't anywhere close to as huge as when Jordan retired. Hmmm...the best player in basketball history retiring...versus the Bulls trading a 16 point a game scorer. Yeah...so 3:00 p.m. Pacific Time tomorrow on ESPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) MSG SportsDesk just reported we received Eddy Curry and Antonio Davis and Chicago got Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jermaine Jackson and 2 picks! I was hoping for Tito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 08:09 PM) MSG SportsDesk just reported we received Eddy Curry and Antonio Davis and Chicago got Tim Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jermaine Jackson and 2 picks! First round picks? And are they conditional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) First round picks? And are they conditional? I'm sure they'd have to be conditional...I mean, would you deal 2 #1 picks for Curry? Although, I'm not sure I'd put it past Thomas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 We are clearly going for offense at the wings and defense at the posts. I am glad that we got something for Curry rather than lose him for nothing at the end of the year, but I worry about our frontcourt scoring. Songalia is our best offense PF or C, that is something not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Not a big Tim Thomas fan for the Bulls. Sweetney might be a servicable Curry replacement. If one of the picks is a 1st rounder it's not a bad deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 (edited) There's no point in trading AD for Tim Thomas as they both make around the same amount and both are expiring contracts. Sweetney is a bust judging on his draft position. Edited October 4, 2005 by nitetrain8601 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I like Sweetney, he put up 8.4 points and 5.4 boards in only 19.6 minutes last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) I'm sure they'd have to be conditional...I mean, would you deal 2 #1 picks for Curry? Although, I'm not sure I'd put it past Thomas. If atleast one of those 2 picks aren't a first rounder, this is a s***ty deal for the Bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) I like Sweetney, he put up 8.4 points and 5.4 boards in only 19.6 minutes last year. Yeah, he played pretty well when he got some run. He had a strong last month if I remember correctly. He's got a huge frame. I think he's like 270 at 6'8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Honestly not sure how to feel about this deal. I guess at this point I'm glad the Bulls got anything at all for Eddy. And Sweetney played well down the stretch, maybe he'll be a major contributor next year and a nice complement to Chandler... or am I just rationalizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 The NBAPA would never arrange for something like that...even if it could cost a person a life. They're not as strong as the MLBPA, but there is so much potential data in a DNA Test...from conditions that could develop as people get older to information on how the body will react to different stresses that it would be absolute insanity for the NBAPA to push that in any way, shape, or form, at least if their job is to represent the majority of their clients. Imagine yourself in this position...you take a DNA test for 1 particular condition. You pass on that condition, but you learn you might be at risk for heart disease. How would you respond if that leaked out to your insurance company? What would they do? If an NBA Team got hold of a player's DNA test...it could cost the player millions of dollars. That's why Rose has been so adamant on it. If Curry was smart he'd have it done himself and have the doctors sign all sorts of legal waivers making him a billionaire if the results leaked out, but any sort of public pressure or release of details would be a horrible thing. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are suggesting it's impossible for a union that overseas 100's of millions in player contracts to arrange for private & confidential testing. I don't believe that. They could arrange a contract with stiff penalties with the test agent to insure privacy & confidentiality. As for the trade: Starter Thomas 28 yr old 6-10 240# F avg 28 min 12 ppg (26 vs ATL). Starter Sweetney 33 yr old 6-8 270# F avg 20 min 9 ppg (13 vs 4/5 games). Bench Jackson 29 yr old 6-5 204# G avg 11 min 2 ppg. Huh? Knicks have a 1-2 punch at C now (James, Curry). The AP report includes several draft choices changing hands as well. Rebounding wise Curry avg 29 min 5.4 rbg. Davis avg 26 min 5.9 rbg. Thomas avg 28 min 3.3 rbg. Jackson 11 min 1.1 rbg. Sweetney 20 min 5.4 rbg. Sweetney is capable of double-double nights. That's an upgrade over Davis. With Curry gone Chandler has to step up & become a consistent double-double player. Paxson may not be done. He might be able to put together a new pkg to get a better talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 http://www.wral.com/apsportsnews/5053296/detail.html Chicago also sent veteran center Antonio Davis to the Knicks, who traded away forwards Tim Thomas, Michael Sweetney and Jermaine Jackson. Several draft choices also changed hands in the deal, according to an executive in the Eastern Conference who spoke on condition of anonymity. We must have got a first rounder and gave up a second or some funky combination. Tomorrow will be interesting. Wow, in one day a Curry trade and Sox playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 You know, since the Eddy Curry went out in March, this has to have been the wierdest time to follow the Bulls ever. With Eddys heart problems, then Dengs wrist problem, then to Skiles leaving and being hired for 4 more years, then Duhon was signed to an offer sheet in toronto, now back to this Curry trade. My head is spinning. I dont know what to expect from this team this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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