Rex Hudler Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I'm not saying Marte will or should be kept on the roster, but here are a few points from the opposing viewpoint... -- Two lefties give a manager more flexibility, especially when they need to get out just one hitter. -- what happens if Neal Cotts gets hurt early in the series? Would you want to go through most of a 7-game series with NO lefties in the pen? -- Ozzie is loyal if anything -- Sometimes a manager showing faith in a player pulls them out of a funk. Remember how Francona stuck by Mark Bellhorn last year when Red Sox fans were chanting for Pokey Reese? Bellhorn was practically 0-for the playoffs and finally got hot when most needed. -- I do believe that many Sox fans here and elsewhere were adamant about NOT putting El Duque on the playoff roster since he had been pitching poorly. Do those of you in that group still think that would have been the right move? This was just a couple of weeks ago boys and girls. If I were Ozzie and forced to make the decision alone, the decision I made would have to do more with what transpired during the season. Deep down does Ozzie believe he can get what he needs out of Marte? Does he feel Marte has it in him to pull it out? If based on that, I think Marte could help, I'd keep him on the roster. That's just me (if I were Ozzie) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Doesn't a lefty lose all effectiveness when can no longer get lefties out? Our righties are more than capable of getting left handed hitters out at a higher clip than Damaso currently can. I don't really give a s*** what arm he throws with, he can't get anyone out especially lefties, this team goes against all logic, our righties are better at getting left handed hitters out than our lefties are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Oct 7, 2005 -> 11:45 PM) -- Two lefties give a manager more flexibility, especially when they need to get out just one hitter. -- what happens if Neal Cotts gets hurt early in the series? Would you want to go through most of a 7-game series with NO lefties in the pen? But if he can't get lefties out, it doesn't make a difference if he's in the pen or not. Having a lefty for the sake of having a lefty doesn't do much. If Marte didn't earn his way of the roster today, i don't know what it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Yeah I understand if possible you want 2 lefties.... But when 1 of those lefties constantly cant get the job done vs lefties or righties it doesnt really help the team. The angels won the WS with the only lefty in their bullpen being Shoenweis and I think Cotts is better than him so we should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 you know how they used to say just say no to drugs. Ozzie needs to say "just say no to Marte." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 05:27 AM) you know how they used to say just say no to drugs. Ozzie needs to say "just say no to Marte." It seems to me Ozzie's biggest flaws as a manager is the mis-use of Marte and his 2 much faith in Freddy. Im glad at least 1 of them will be gone and Freddy is still good I just think Ozzie has a little bit 2 much faith in him sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 7, 2005 -> 09:45 PM) Hate to say it but we need 2 lefties. He must stay. No, no we don't. Having a lefty just for the sake of having a lefty is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 12:36 AM) No, no we don't. Having a lefty just for the sake of having a lefty is stupid. We're better off having Bobby Jenks throw with his left arm than having Damaso in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 12:38 AM) We're better off having Bobby Jenks throw with his left arm than having Damaso in the pen. hell you could pitch better than Marte right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 12:39 AM) hell you could pitch better than Marte right now. Well that goes without saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 At this point if it was possible id rather have Arnie Munoz as our 2nd lefty rather than Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 12:44 AM) At this point if it was possible id rather have Arnie Munoz as our 2nd lefty rather than Marte. im actually a big fan of his. I thought he was solid in the bullpen during the last month of the season. I thought they abused him against montreal and i really felt bad for him. I think he has a future as a LHRP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Hate to say it but we need 2 lefties. He must stay. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We could use 2 lefties but when one of them is Damaso Marte, no thanks. I'd rather see a righty like McCarthy try to get a tough lefty out than watch Marte s*** the bed. At least McCarthy will throw strikes and won't load the bases with no outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 You think they could leave off Blum and bring in BMAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 01:11 AM) You think they could leave off Blum and bring in BMAC? Ozzie will never do it. He loves Blum's versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) Ozzie will never do it. He loves Blum's versatility. We need Geoff on the roster. He'll be an important piece if we need to use willie to pinch run for paul or joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 But, but, but... TIMO can play 1b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 (edited) Marte is just worthless right now and has been for almost the entire season. There's no need to dump Blum who can at least play 3 positions while Marte is more likely to hurt us than help us if he stays on the roster. Dump Marte and add McCarthy. Marte has no confidence and is pitching like a complete headcase coward. Edited October 8, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 01:21 AM) Marte is just worthless right now and has been for almost the entire season. There's no need to dump Blum who can at least play 3 positions while Marte is more likely to hurt us than help us if he stays on the roster. Dump Marte and add McCarthy. Marte has no confidence and is pitching like a complete headcase coward. the way i look at it Blum can only help. He can't hurt the Sox with his versatility assuming Ozzie uses him the right way. Marte can hurt the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Marte will most likely not be left off. He's a lefty and if it's the the Yankees, they have MANY left handed bats. If it's the Angels.., perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 If I had my way B-mac makes it over Marte next series... and in the WS if he is healthy enough just to make an ab Frank Thomas makes it over Blum... he can pull a Kurt Gibson for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 02:38 AM) and in the WS if he is healthy enough just to make an ab Frank Thomas makes it over Blum... he can pull a Kurt Gibson for us THAT would be sweet! I don't think it's gonna happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I still don't want to give up on Marte. I guess I'm a stubborn mofo. He's been so good most of his Sox career. It really hurts to see him struggling like he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 02:03 AM) I still don't want to give up on Marte. I guess I'm a stubborn mofo. He's been so good most of his Sox career. It really hurts to see him struggling like he is. Marte has been gradually getting worse for 2 years. Personally, I think He Gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 8, 2005 -> 02:13 AM) Marte has been gradually getting worse for 2 years. Personally, I think He Gone! It looks like all of those appearances he had during the manuel era got to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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