Manny Ramirez

[Greg The Bull Luzinski]

Red is the only color of Sox I want woManny wearing.

[redsoxjamie]

Let me chime in on this as a Red Sox fan, if I may. . .

 

The main problem with Manny to the White Sox is not his attitude. Believe me, with 45 HR and 144 RBI's, you get used to it. He's a pain in the butt, for sure, but he is one of the most productive, if not the most productive, hitter in the game.

 

The problem is that you guys don't have anything that the Red Sox are going to trade Manny for. If the Red Sox are going to trade Manny, they're going to want somebody who can at least come close to matching his offensive production, and you guys don't have that. The Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball--they don't need to dump Manny's salary. (Unlike the Rangers trading A-Rod--they WERE being limited by A-Rod's salary, and even they demanded Alfonso Soriano, who is far from "nothing".) Regardless of how badly they want to trade Manny, fans in Boston are going to be PISSED--myself included--and they're going to have to have something to show for it. You guys just aren't a good "match" for this trade. Just my opinion.

[LDF]

Let me chime in on this as a Red Sox fan, if I may.  .  .

 

 

If the Red Sox are going to trade Manny, they're going to want somebody who can at least come close to matching his offensive production, and you guys don't have that.

 

and how many players are like that now???

[YASNY]

Let me chime in on this as a Red Sox fan, if I may.  .  .

 

The main problem with Manny to the White Sox is not his attitude.  Believe me, with 45 HR and 144 RBI's, you get used to it.  He's a pain in the butt, for sure, but he is one of the most productive, if not the most productive, hitter in the game.

 

The problem is that you guys don't have anything that the Red Sox are going to trade Manny for.  If the Red Sox are going to trade Manny, they're going to want somebody who can at least come close to matching his offensive production, and you guys don't have that.  The Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball--they don't need to dump Manny's salary.  (Unlike the Rangers trading A-Rod--they WERE being limited by A-Rod's salary, and even they demanded Alfonso Soriano, who is far from "nothing".)  Regardless of how badly they want to trade Manny, fans in Boston are going to be PISSED--myself included--and they're going to have to have something to show for it.  You guys just aren't a good "match" for this trade.  Just my opinion.

 

Total agreement. Happily so, as well.

[BigSqwert]

Let me chime in on this as a Red Sox fan, if I may.  .  .

 

The main problem with Manny to the White Sox is not his attitude.  Believe me, with 45 HR and 144 RBI's, you get used to it.  He's a pain in the butt, for sure, but he is one of the most productive, if not the most productive, hitter in the game.

 

The problem is that you guys don't have anything that the Red Sox are going to trade Manny for.  If the Red Sox are going to trade Manny, they're going to want somebody who can at least come close to matching his offensive production, and you guys don't have that.  The Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball--they don't need to dump Manny's salary.  (Unlike the Rangers trading A-Rod--they WERE being limited by A-Rod's salary, and even they demanded Alfonso Soriano, who is far from "nothing".)  Regardless of how badly they want to trade Manny, fans in Boston are going to be PISSED--myself included--and they're going to have to have something to show for it.  You guys just aren't a good "match" for this trade.  Just my opinion.

 

Wouldn't Boston consider trading him for some great pitching? Does it necessarily have to be for another amazing hitter? Not that I want him on my team but just asking.

[LDF]

Wouldn't Boston consider trading him for some great pitching?  Does it necessarily have to be for another amazing hitter?  Not that I want him on my team but just asking.

 

i was thinking the same considering that have such an excellent pitcher in wakefield.

[Reddy]

Wouldn't Boston consider trading him for some great pitching?  Does it necessarily have to be for another amazing hitter?  Not that I want him on my team but just asking.

 

i would never give up the pitching that BEAT boston, for the hitting that LOST with boston

[Frankensteiner]

I'd take Manny with open arms. He can DH and Carl can hit the road. Not that I expect that to ever happen for various reasons.

 

All the venom thrown at him in this thread is very similar to how people reacted towards AJ before he signed here.

[YASNY]

i would never give up the pitching that BEAT boston, for the hitting that LOST with boston

 

Shades of 2000-2004

[DBAHO]

We've been waiting since 2000 to make the playoffs because of a lack of quality pitching and now we've finally done it on the back of that. To say you'd deal from that strength for an overpaid egotistical DH/OF sounds pretty insane to me.

 

There are just much better trade options out there for the White Sox, and as the Boston poster said, there's nothing we can really give them to please em enough for a deal. Not like the Mets and Carlos Beltran.

[Frankensteiner]

Let me chime in on this as a Red Sox fan, if I may.  .  .

 

The main problem with Manny to the White Sox is not his attitude.  Believe me, with 45 HR and 144 RBI's, you get used to it.  He's a pain in the butt, for sure, but he is one of the most productive, if not the most productive, hitter in the game.

 

The problem is that you guys don't have anything that the Red Sox are going to trade Manny for.  If the Red Sox are going to trade Manny, they're going to want somebody who can at least come close to matching his offensive production, and you guys don't have that.  The Red Sox have the 2nd highest payroll in baseball--they don't need to dump Manny's salary.  (Unlike the Rangers trading A-Rod--they WERE being limited by A-Rod's salary, and even they demanded Alfonso Soriano, who is far from "nothing".)  Regardless of how badly they want to trade Manny, fans in Boston are going to be PISSED--myself included--and they're going to have to have something to show for it.  You guys just aren't a good "match" for this trade.  Just my opinion.

 

Wouldn't the Red Sox want pitching in that type of trade instead of another bat? And theoretically, why would two teams swap very effective run producers. Isn't that just running in place.

[redsoxjamie]

Wouldn't Boston consider trading him for some great pitching?  Does it necessarily have to be for another amazing hitter?  Not that I want him on my team but just asking.

 

Probably not. You guys are good because you have a bunch of really good pitching, not because you have any one great pitcher. Buehrle, Garland, Contreras, and Garcia together make up a hell of a rotation, but individually, none of them is worth trading Manny Ramirez for. Also, the Red Sox already have 5 starters signed for next year (Schilling, Wakefield, Clement, Arroyo, and Wells are all under contract for next year), plus Jonathan Papelbon, who deserves to be in the starting rotation next year. So if they're in the market for a starting pitcher, they're going to have to find a way to get rid of somebody they already have.

[Frankensteiner]

i would never give up the pitching that BEAT boston, for the hitting that LOST with boston

 

Well, Manny does have a WS ring. Our pitching doesn't.

[DBAHO]

Probably not.  You guys are good because you have a bunch of really good pitching, not because you have any one great pitcher.  Buehrle, Garland, Contreras, and Garcia together make up a hell of a rotation, but individually, none of them is worth trading Manny Ramirez for.  Also, the Red Sox already have 5 starters signed for next year (Schilling, Wakefield, Clement, Arroyo, and Wells are all under contract for next year), plus Jonathan Papelbon, who deserves to be in the starting rotation next year.  So if they're in the market for a starting pitcher, they're going to have to find a way to get rid of somebody they already have.

Is Wells 100% certain to be back next season? If not, I doubt they go for a A.J Burnett (he wants $13M over 5 years), one of the Japanese pitchers like Daisuke Matzusuka perhaps, but as you say Papelborn should be the guy if they are gonna let him start.

[YASNY]

Probably not.  You guys are good because you have a bunch of really good pitching, not because you have any one great pitcher.  Buehrle, Garland, Contreras, and Garcia together make up a hell of a rotation, but individually, none of them is worth trading Manny Ramirez for.  Also, the Red Sox already have 5 starters signed for next year (Schilling, Wakefield, Clement, Arroyo, and Wells are all under contract for next year), plus Jonathan Papelbon, who deserves to be in the starting rotation next year.  So if they're in the market for a starting pitcher, they're going to have to find a way to get rid of somebody they already have.

 

Dude, that pitching was too old to stay effective and healthy this year. But, what the hell, roll the dice with them again in '06.

[Reddy]

Well, Manny does have a WS ring. Our pitching doesn't.

 

that means... what?

[YASNY]

that means... what?

 

It means he studies ancient history.

[Frankensteiner]

that means... what?

 

Not a thing.

[redsoxjamie]

Dude, that pitching was too old to stay effective and healthy this year.  But, what the hell, roll the dice with them again in '06.

 

They're all under contract for next year. We don't really have a choice. Fortunately, having the best offense in baseball can cover up a lot of that, which is why I think they ought to keep Manny. Regardless of who they trade him for, they're going to be losing offensive production.

[fathom]

There's a huge part of this story that we really haven't mentioned: Marquee players are going to want to start playing for the Sox and Ozzie (especially latino players). That's a huge advantage we could have when it comes to free agency, etc. Not only that, but I now can't see how our payroll won't increase.

[redsoxjamie]

Wouldn't the Red Sox want pitching in that type of trade instead of another bat? And theoretically, why would two teams swap very effective run producers. Isn't that just running in place.

 

 

Well, the idea would be that we would trade Manny, one of the best hitters in baseball, for somebody who is not quite as good a hitter but also not quite as expensive. We would then use the saved money to make up the production elsewhere. The problem is not that you guys don't have somebody of Manny's caliber--very few teams do. The problem is that you guys don't have anybody who even comes close and who would be a good fit in a trade like that.

[YASNY]

There's a huge part of this story that we really haven't mentioned:  Marquee players are going to want to start playing for the Sox and Ozzie (especially latino players).  That's a huge advantage we could have when it comes to free agency, etc.  Not only that, but I now can't see how our payroll won't increase.

 

Oh, the payroll will increase. Not only did we have the attendance jump this year, but we'll have a surge in season ticket buyers over the winter.

[fathom]

Oh, the payroll will increase.  Not only did we have the attendance jump this year, but we'll have a surge in season ticket buyers over the winter.

 

Exactly! That's why myself, and so many others, were so nervous about a potential collapse that could have led to the White Sox missing the playoffs. That would have set back the franchise so much. Now, you get in the playoffs, and anything can happen. So far, so good! There's a lot of buzz with the White Sox now, and like you said, there will be a surge in season ticket buyers.

[gosox41]

There are reports that he is looking to change his agent and ask to be traded from the Bo Sox. Independent of what happens this year with our Sox, I want to contend every year and not break this momentum.

 

We obviously have great pitching set for next year too (Buerhle, Count, Garland, Garcia, McCarthy to start and add El Duque to bullpen as set up man), and while our O has been game all playoffs, the Boston pitching is weak and I think we need to upgrade our O in the offseason.

 

How about trading for Manny Ramirez???? The guy would be a monster at the Cell and make us a legit contender again next year. We could play him at DH if Frank does not come back or if Frank does come back, then we play Manny at RF and put Dye either at 1B (and let Paulie go) or trade Dye away

 

Thoughts???

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...to_hasten_exit/

 

I'll pas on Manny. I want Frank back and Manny doesn't belong anywhere near the OF.

 

 

 

Bob

[DBAHO]

IIRC, in one of Phil Rogers articles this week, he was saying we should get about 2M from this series, 4M from the upcoming series, and 5M from the World Series if we make it.

 

I think most of that money will go into re-signing Konerko and the raises for Jon and A.J though. But it's good we'll see increases in ticket sales etc. hopefully as well. That can only help.