NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 11:59 AM) Of course those hitters can do damage against Marte. Hell, give me a bat and helmet and I can take four pitches for a walk too. Hell, give me a glove and a ball and I probably can find the strike zone better than Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:59 PM) Of course those hitters can do damage against Marte. Hell, give me a bat and helmet and I can take four pitches for a walk too. Nah, you wouldn't need 4 pitches. He would hit you in the head on the 2nd or 3rd pitch. Advance to 1st, Mr Concussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I would switch Garland and Buehrle honestly. I rather have the sinkerball go at home and Buehrle go on the road which would be a bigger ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:09 PM) I would switch Garland and Buehrle honestly. I rather have the sinkerball go at home and Buehrle go on the road which would be a bigger ballpark. You wouldn't have to switch anyone. Let Garland pitch game one at home, Conteras at home game 2. Buehrle would then pitch game 3 on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) I would switch Garland and Buehrle honestly. I rather have the sinkerball go at home and Buehrle go on the road which would be a bigger ballpark. Mark has been much, much better at home, almost a run and a half better while Jon has been a tad bit better on the road. Edited October 9, 2005 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) Nah, you wouldn't need 4 pitches. He would hit you in the head on the 2nd or 3rd pitch. Advance to 1st, Mr Concussion. I am not sure if that is intended as an insult to me or not, but I am always happy to get to 1st base. Even married, I always feel lucky to score! :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) I am not sure if that is intended as an insult to me or not, but I am always happy to get to 1st base. Even married, I always feel lucky to score! :rolly Nope, it was a slap at Marte's wildness. I doubt that you'd get 4 pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) I don't know how Marte's still on the roster. I know everyone's not happy with Garland going early, but I'm happy with the rotation. Garland will obviously throw a simulated game today. he will be competing with mark prior and Kerry Wood for the Simulated Cy Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Just like Michigan is competing for the simulated National Championship this year, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 09:13 AM) They just broke in to Bears coverage to announce the ALCS rosters. I didn't catch all of it, but here's the important stuff. Rotation: Game 1: Contreras Game 2: Buehrle Game 3: Garcia Game 4: Garland Marte still in. McCarthy still off. :headshake I agree w/ the rotation, but keeping Viz over McCarthy is just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 12:38 PM) I agree w/ the rotation, but keeping Viz over McCarthy is just stupid. Have you not realized that Damaso sucks yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox72 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I sure hope the score is incorrect about this, but assuming they aren't.... You really have to wonder what kind of s*** Marte has on Ozzie that he continually comes back with POOR performances and yet still gets into situations... I for one hope and pray to NEVER see this guy pitch in a White Sox uniform again. And I agree, I hope Ozzie does not cost us anything by bringing this assclown into the game in a tough situation... Here's to hoping Marte does not become our next opponents whipping b****.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) Have you not realized that Damaso sucks yet? Have you not realized Viz is f***ING useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 12:42 PM) Have you not realized Viz is f***ING useless Being useless is so much better then being used in situations where you can't get outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Standing on the sidelines is better than helping the opponent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(knightni @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) Nope, it was a slap at Marte's wildness. I doubt that you'd get 4 pitches. I figured so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) Being useless is so much better then being used in situations where you can't get outs. Neither guy should pitch unless absolutely necessary. But At least Marte has the ability to come in and get out a tough LH, who doesn't hit Lh's well, and possibly get the K. Viz is good for nothing but mop up. And w/ El duque and Hermansen in the bp, he is more worthless than he's ever been........I'm pissed that Oz decided to keep Viz instead of taking McCarthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) But At least Marte has the ability to come in and get out a tough LH, But he really doesnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:54 PM) Neither guy should pitch unless absolutely necessary. But At least Marte has the ability to come in and get out a tough LH, who doesn't hit Lh's well, and possibly get the K. Viz is good for nothing but mop up. And w/ El duque and Hermansen in the bp, he is more worthless than he's ever been........I'm pissed that Oz decided to keep Viz instead of taking McCarthy Vizcaino post all star break-2.60 ERA with a 1.26 Whip Marte post all star break-5.03 ERA with a 1.83 Whip :puke :puke Also, Marte's WHIP vs. lefties is 1.63 post all star. Vizcaino's is 1.5. Marte=WORTHLESS Edited October 9, 2005 by whitesoxfan99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) Neither guy should pitch unless absolutely necessary. But At least Marte has the ability to come in and get out a tough LH, who doesn't hit Lh's well, and possibly get the K. Viz is good for nothing but mop up. And w/ El duque and Hermansen in the bp, he is more worthless than he's ever been........I'm pissed that Oz decided to keep Viz instead of taking McCarthy Cy. Can you tell me when the last time Marte got ANYBODY out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Ok, I'm just going to cite a few outings later in the season in which Marte "re"-earned my respect. After having the fallout with Ozzie, Kenny and co. and his alleged firing, Marte enters two ballgames in Minnesotta and turns out two very impressive and CRUCIAL outings in the later innings. Ozzie told him if you want a place on this team and you really think you belong, you have to get it back. He threw him right in the fire and Damaso produced. He's a left handed pitcher, and a pretty talented one at that. If he has "it" he can produce in the clutch and get some big outs. If he doesn't, he starts walking people and puts runners on. He has to be on the roster. I'm sorry. Having him off the roster just doesn't make a lick of sense. One left handed reliever in the ALCS...errrr...I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:09 PM) He has to be on the roster. I'm sorry. Having him off the roster just doesn't make a lick of sense. One left handed reliever in the ALCS...errrr...I dunno. Ask the 2002 angels how important it is to have 2 lefties in the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) Ask the 2002 angels how important it is to have 2 lefties in the bullpen. i don't know their number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) One left handed reliever in the ALCS...errrr...I dunno. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm pretty sure the Angels went with an all right handed bullpen for the ALDS, and I wouldn't doubt they use the same bullpen in the ALCS if they make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) Ok, I'm just going to cite a few outings later in the season in which Marte "re"-earned my respect. After having the fallout with Ozzie, Kenny and co. and his alleged firing, Marte enters two ballgames in Minnesotta and turns out two very impressive and CRUCIAL outings in the later innings. Ozzie told him if you want a place on this team and you really think you belong, you have to get it back. He threw him right in the fire and Damaso produced. He's a left handed pitcher, and a pretty talented one at that. If he has "it" he can produce in the clutch and get some big outs. If he doesn't, he starts walking people and puts runners on. He has to be on the roster. I'm sorry. Having him off the roster just doesn't make a lick of sense. One left handed reliever in the ALCS...errrr...I dunno. Everyone on the sox can get lefties out better than marte. Just because you throw left handed doesn't mean you always have an advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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