AddisonStSox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:41 PM) Sweet Jesus, i hope this never, ever happens. Cotts is spent. You'd rather see........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) That's a weak argument, at best. It's much easier to pitch w/ no pressure, and guys swinging for the fences every ab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) Cotts is spent. You'd rather see........ Anyone but Marte in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:34 PM) No, I think you guys are right. Again, Ozzie has nothing on armchair, Soxtalk managerial committee. For ages, it has been believed that left hander pitchers have an inherant advantage versus left handed batters. But, let's live and die by those stats and trot out a guy like Vizcaino over a left handed reliever--and one, that, if on his game, can be one of the best left handed relievers in all of baseball--because Marte "can't get anybody out." Believe me, I'm far from leading the Damaso Marte fan club, but I don't understand why the argument isn't one of Vizcaino versus McCarthy instead of Marte versus McCarthy. There is not as big of advantage as there is made out to be. Some lefties are great, some are awful, and some our just medicore against left handed batters. Some righties are great, some our awful, and some are just mediocore against right handed batters. All in all it ends up pretty much equaling out. If marte is on? That is the biggest f***ing if in the world at this point and i am most likely his biggest fan on soxtalk. Marte will most likely go to another team next season and put up solid numbers once more... but for whatever reason ( his injury still bothering him?) he has blown. Personally i want him back and start next season fresh with a clean slate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) Cotts is spent. You'd rather see........ what? how is he spent? he is more than just a lefty specialist that is going to come in for 1 batter. EDIT: Nevermind, i'm an idiot, misunderstood what you were trying to say. Edited October 9, 2005 by SnB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) Cotts is spent. You'd rather see........ Cliff, Dustin, Bobby, the Duke. Edited October 9, 2005 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) Exactly, Basically the same thing I just said the post under yours, if Damaso is on the roster he's in danger of being used cause of that damn left hand of his. Viz will only be used if we run out of pitchers some how. No damaso means more cotts, more cotts means more outs. Can someone please venture a guess as to why Damaso is used time and time again over Cotts. Is it because Ozzie doesn't like Neal? Does he not like his hair? Does he have a thing against Illinois State. Ozzie does the things he does for A REASON. Yes, I know it's VERY easy to criticize Ozzie's managerial decisions. Sometimes, those criticisms couldn't be more spot on. But, you can do that for each and every manager in baseball. Honestly, you think if we were Card fans or Yankee fans or Padre fans or Devil Ray fans we wouldn't question the manager? Of course we would. You could do that of any manager in baseball. They keep guys around and use them for a reason. Let's not throw Marte under the bus just yet. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:44 PM) Cliff, Dustin, Bobby, the Duke. Where's Viz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:33 PM) New article on the Tribune site seems to indicate Garland will go in game 3 and not game 4. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Yep it is: Jose Contreras Game 1 - H Mark Buehrle Game 2 - H Jon Garland Game 3 - A Freddy Garcia Game 4 - A Jose Contreras Game 5 - A (If needed) Mark Buehrle Game 6 - H (If needed) Jon Garland Game 7 - H (If needed) The Marte, Viz, BMac thing doesn't really make any sense. If Ozzie wanted another Lefty in the bullpen, then why not put BMac in for Viz. Viz makes me sick everytime he comes in, I can't imagine what his ERA would be if you counted all the inherited runners he has allowed in this season. Even though Marte struggled vs Boston, he provides another Lefty option for Ozzie out of the pen. Still would have liked to see BMac in there though. Also, Ozzie was quoted as saying that he would have loved to have Garland pitch Game 1, but that would hurt the other 3 pitchers routines, so this way it only affects Garland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) Where's Viz? Not being used, a good chance damaso would be, that's the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:46 PM) Can someone please venture a guess as to why Damaso is used time and time again over Cotts. Is it because Ozzie doesn't like Neal? Does he not like his hair? Does he have a thing against Illinois State. Ozzie does the things he does for A REASON. When you find that reason, please post it. You're defending Ozzie for a reason of which ou don't even know what it is? That makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) Can someone please venture a guess as to why Damaso is used time and time again over Cotts. Is it because Ozzie doesn't like Neal? Does he not like his hair? Does he have a thing against Illinois State. Ozzie does the things he does for A REASON. Yes, I know it's VERY easy to criticize Ozzie's managerial decisions. Sometimes, those criticisms couldn't be more spot on. But, you can do that for each and every manager in baseball. Honestly, you think if we were Card fans or Yankee fans or Padre fans or Devil Ray fans we wouldn't question the manager? Of course we would. You could do that of any manager in baseball. They keep guys around and use them for a reason. Let's not throw Marte under the bus just yet. That's all. We would all like to know that. Neal has been one of the best relievers in baseball this season, Damaso is horrible, period. This is the major reason a lot of us have been hard on Oz this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:43 PM) Anyone but Marte in there. THE Luis Vizcaino? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) I just cant understand why Oz would put a guy on the roster that not only is going to be on a short leash, but has also said he wont pitch him at home because of the boos. WHY IS HE WITH THE TEAM? I have no answer for that other than Ozzie figures he has one more clutch performance left in him. I didn't see that comment from Marte by the way, got a link? Here's an idea for him to not hear the boos: Don't s*** your skirt during a playoff game for a team that hasn't won s*** since 1917. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:49 PM) THE Luis Vizcaino? You got it. Because like Rowand has said, hopefully these pitchers would only enter as the last man out of the pen. In which case i have more confidence in Viz as a last hope. Marte needs to be left off because he's a lefty and Ozzie might do something stupid like use him in a tight situation, where he proceeds to throw 50 gas cans on a fire. See: 6th inning game 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) When you find that reason, please post it. You're defending Ozzie for a reason of which ou don't even know what it is? That makes sense. Do I have to understand the reason to use this arguement? Let's put this whole f***ing thing into context then. We have NO f***ING CLUE what goes on in that clubhouse. We are all on the outside looking in. Sorry, fellas. I know some of you think you could be skipper, but, you're not. Do I know the reason? No. BUT, do I see time and time again he goes to Marte over Cotts? Yes. Ozzie knows a LOT more baseball than I. And, I'm just going to take a guess here, a LOT more baseball than you. He goes to him time and time again for a reason. He has ALL the information you are PRIVY to and MORE and he STILL goes to the worse statistical pticher of the two. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:52 PM) Do I have to understand the reason to use this arguement? Let's put this whole f***ing thing into context then. We have NO f***ING CLUE what goes on in that clubhouse. We are all on the outside looking in. Sorry, fellas. I know some of you think you could be skipper, but, you're not. Do I know the reason? No. BUT, do I see time and time again he goes to Marte over Cotts? Yes. Ozzie knows a LOT more baseball than I. And, I'm just going to take a guess here, a LOT more baseball than you. He goes to him time and time again for a reason. He has ALL the information you are PRIVY to and MORE and he STILL goes to the worse statistical pticher of the two. Why? So you are now using some sort of clubhouse reason we can't see, as opposed to using a statistical basis. This keeps getting better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 OPS against LH batters Jenks: .414 McCarthy: .602 Politte: .579 Hermanson: .721 Marte: .767 So much for being a lefty specialist. Keeping Marte off the roster will prevent Ozzie from making the mistake of using Marte against a left hander. We have 4 right handers who are better than Marte against left handers. Tell me again why we must have Marte ready if a left hander steps up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) So you are now using some sort of clubhouse reason we can't see, as opposed to using a statistical basis. This keeps getting better. :banghead What was Los' quote? Aruging on an internet message board is like racing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. I'm out. Have a nice day fellas. I'm looking forward to Tuesday when we can just sit back and watch our White Sox play in the ALCS for the first time in many of our lifetimes. Enjoy your Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:52 PM) Do I know the reason? No. BUT, do I see time and time again he goes to Marte over Cotts? Yes. Ozzie knows a LOT more baseball than I. And, I'm just going to take a guess here, a LOT more baseball than you. He goes to him time and time again for a reason. He has ALL the information you are PRIVY to and MORE and he STILL goes to the worse statistical pticher of the two. Why? He was saving Cotts for the 8th or 9th if Ortiz came up w/ a chance to win the game. He obviously didn't trust his other relivers to get him out. Including Jenks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) Tell me again why we must have Marte ready if a left hander steps up? BeCaUsE yOu HaVe To HaVe TwO lEfTiEs!!!!!!111!!1!!!!!!!!!11!!11111!!!11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:52 PM) Do I know the reason? No. BUT, do I see time and time again he goes to Marte over Cotts? Yes. Ozzie knows a LOT more baseball than I. And, I'm just going to take a guess here, a LOT more baseball than you. He goes to him time and time again for a reason. He has ALL the information you are PRIVY to and MORE and he STILL goes to the worse statistical pticher of the two. Why? I don't care what the reason Ozzie goes to Marte is. It is a stupid move to make. Marte f***ing sucks, end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:52 PM) Do I have to understand the reason to use this arguement? Let's put this whole f***ing thing into context then. We have NO f***ING CLUE what goes on in that clubhouse. We are all on the outside looking in. Sorry, fellas. I know some of you think you could be skipper, but, you're not. Do I know the reason? No. BUT, do I see time and time again he goes to Marte over Cotts? Yes. Ozzie knows a LOT more baseball than I. And, I'm just going to take a guess here, a LOT more baseball than you. He goes to him time and time again for a reason. He has ALL the information you are PRIVY to and MORE and he STILL goes to the worse statistical pticher of the two. Why? Ozzie does not look at stats? That is the only logical explanation there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) OPS against LH batters Jenks: .414 McCarthy: .602 Politte: .579 Hermanson: .721 Marte: .767 So much for being a lefty specialist. Keeping Marte off the roster will prevent Ozzie from making the mistake of using Marte against a left hander. We have 4 right handers who are better than Marte against left handers. Tell me again why we must have Marte ready if a left hander steps up? Where's Viz? Oh i forgot, he can't get Lh's or Rh's out. He's Great. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) OPS against LH batters Jenks: .414 McCarthy: .602 Politte: .579 Hermanson: .721 Marte: .767 So much for being a lefty specialist. Keeping Marte off the roster will prevent Ozzie from making the mistake of using Marte against a left hander. We have 4 right handers who are better than Marte against left handers. Tell me again why we must have Marte ready if a left hander steps up? Please post that great obp of Damaso's against lefties, that disgusts me more then anything, he really can't get lefties out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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