santo=dorf Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) Hooray for Viz being able to come in in no pressure situations, and lowering that era. And then when he gets into a mess, another reliever bailing him out. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I thought be listing Hermanson, Politte, and Jenks people would be smart enough to realize that Viz hasn't been able to have the same situations as Marte. Is it somehow Viz's fault that Hermanson, Jenks, and Politte all have been lights out this year? Have to give props to Marte for the previous series. Can't recall too many pitchers with an infinite WHIP and --- ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 4 games with starters going at least 8 innings, then bring in Jenks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 It's this simple: Marte adds a lot more potential value to this team than Viz in a 7 game series. Viz is only useful against a team with righties who struggle vs the slider. However, with Duque in the pen, that basically eliminates any of Viz's value. Even though Marte has been such an enigma, he still has a better chance than Viz and getting a big out against someone like G. Anderson or R. Cano. Ozzie just has to use Marte wisely. If the home plate ump has a small zone, Marte likely has no chance of getting 3 strikes over the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Looking at the 3 game vs. 4. Whichever is the day game should go to Freddy "Lights Out" Garcia. I have no problem adjusting between the two to get Freddy a day game if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:12 PM) How did I know this would come up? I don't recall saying I wanted Viz as the lefty specialist. You guys want Marte as the second lefty man because he is lefthanded. I have shown you that there are 4 RHP better than Marte at getting lefties out. What is Marte's use again? Vizcaino can eat up innings, that is the only time I expect to see him in the playoffs (like the Braves-Astros game on right now.) Marte is completely worthless. VS. RHP: Marte: .817 OPS Viz: .692 OPS difference: .125 VS. LHP: Marte: .767 Viz: .857 difference: .090 Overall OPS: Marte: .791 Viz: .762 Viz > Marte It's not like I want to see Viz pitch. I rather see both of them not pitch, but I'm a 100% sure that if Marte is on the roster, Ozzie will use his s***ty ass because the batter is left handed. Why not McCarthy instead of Viz?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 If our ALCS chances come down to Marte, I think we're f***ed anyways. Move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) Marte>Viz. McCarthy>Viz. End of story. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Way to back up your claim. I think I'm really wasting my time with you Mr. Marte Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) It's this simple: Marte adds a lot more potential value to this team than Viz in a 7 game series. Viz is only useful against a team with righties who struggle vs the slider. However, with Duque in the pen, that basically eliminates any of Viz's value. Even though Marte has been such an enigma, he still has a better chance than Viz and getting a big out against someone like G. Anderson or R. Cano. Ozzie just has to use Marte wisely. If the home plate ump has a small zone, Marte likely has no chance of getting 3 strikes over the plate. ugh don't give me potential give me results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Irish Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 The thing that I don't like (pardon me if I'm repeating), is that Freddy will go in a potential Game 7. I'd much rather see Mark or Jon go in a situation like that. The good news is that the Old Cuban is ready to go in a pivitol Game 5. That's pretty big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) Way to back up your claim. I think I'm really wasting my time with you Mr. Marte Jr. hey look it's Mrs. Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) Why not McCarthy instead of Viz?????? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why McCarthy instead over Marte? I want McCarthy and Vizcaino in the bullpen. Marte can stay home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) Way to back up your claim. I think I'm really wasting my time with you Mr. Marte Jr. hey look it's Mrs. Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) If our ALCS chances come down to Marte, I think we're f***ed anyways. Move on. That's the f***in thing that worries me, it really could, we could easily lose a game or two because of Damaso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) Way to back up your claim. I think I'm really wasting my time with you Mr. Marte Jr. I like what Marte brings over Viz. Period. I still think Marte will get a huge out for us. I have no faith in Viz to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Irish Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 The thing that I don't like (pardon me if I'm repeating), is that Freddy will go in a potential Game 7. I'd much rather see Mark or Jon go in a situation like that. The good news is that the Old Cuban is ready to go in a pivitol Game 5. That's pretty big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) That's the f***in thing that worries me, it really could, we could easily lose a game or two because of Damaso. Exactly, I'm not worried about Viz because Ozzie likely won't use him in a big situation. But for whatever reason Ozzie has shown that he will use Marte in a big situation despite Marte not being able to get anyone out in the second half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) Why McCarthy instead over Marte? I want McCarthy and Vizcaino in the bullpen. Marte can stay home. If we have McCarthy what's the point in having Viz? To throw Bp? You might as well include Gload on the roster instead. Edited October 9, 2005 by CYGarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) I like what Marte brings over Viz. Period. I still think Marte will get a huge out for us. I have no faith in Viz to do anything. That's just it. Everybody has an opinion, and none of them amount to a hill of beans unless your name is Ozzie Guillen, Kenny Williams or Don Cooper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(South Side Irish @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:18 PM) The thing that I don't like (pardon me if I'm repeating), is that Freddy will go in a potential Game 7. I'd much rather see Mark or Jon go in a situation like that. The good news is that the Old Cuban is ready to go in a pivitol Game 5. That's pretty big. Freddy in Game 7? Here are the starters: Jose Contreras Game 1 - H Mark Buehrle Game 2 - H Jon Garland Game 3 - A Freddy Garcia Game 4 - A Jose Contreras Game 5 - A (If needed) Mark Buehrle Game 6 - H (If needed) Jon Garland Game 7 - H (If needed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 BTW, did we ever find out if it's official that McCarthy still isn't on the roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) I like what Marte brings over Viz. Period. I still think Marte will get a huge out for us. I have no faith in Viz to do anything. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's all YOUR opinion yet you think "we all can agree that Marte is better than Viz" despite the stats (i.e. FACTS) saying otherwise. Why not McCarthy over Marte? Is it Viz's fault that Hermanson, Politte, and Jenks have been this good this year? Would you rather have Marte s*** his pants in a clutch situation or have Viz do a better job than Marte when he is called upon? You haven't anwered any of my questions, so I'll just move along. Edited October 9, 2005 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Ozzie does not look at stats? That is the only logical explanation there is. I rememeber hearing someone on the radio a while who had done an interview with Ozzie. About halfway though the interview, someone came in and gave him stats or a scouting report or something liek that, he took it, the person walked out and he threw it in the TRASH!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) BTW, did we ever find out if it's official that McCarthy still isn't on the roster? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I don't think anybody has thought about this either but when Vizcaino's slider is on lefties can't hit him. Case in point 2003. Lefties hit .190 against him. I think i would rather risk Vizcaino's slider being on than Marte coming into a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:24 PM) Thats what I am wondering. However, who would be off this time if Mac is on? Its not Duke, and from what I have learned in this 8 pages is that Marte is still on... AP News http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=1197884 No change to roster from ALDS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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