White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) I rememeber hearing someone on the radio a while who had done an interview with Ozzie. About halfway though the interview, someone came in and gave him stats or a scouting report or something liek that, he took it, the person walked out and he threw it in the TRASH!!! than KW should talk to him about this. You can't go by your gut all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:23 PM) That's all YOUR opinion yet you think "we all can agree that Marte is better than Viz" despite the stats (i.e. FACTS) saying otherwise. Why not McCarthy over Marte? Is it Viz's fault that Hermanson, Politte, and Jenks have been this good this year? Would you rather have Marte s*** his pants in a clutch situation or have Viz do a better job than Marte when he is called upon? You haven't anwered any of my questions, so I'll just move along. Viz's job is long relief correct? Well W/ McCarthy and El Duque on the roster that leaves him w/ no role other than BP thrower. Now Marte's role should be, if Cotts is unavailable, "Try to get a tough LH out, who can't hit Lh's well, but pound's Rh's". And that's it. If he can't get the guy out, Oz should take HIM out. Period Edited October 10, 2005 by CYGarland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:22 PM) That's just it. Everybody has an opinion, and none of them amount to a hill of beans unless your name is Ozzie Guillen, Kenny Williams or Don Cooper. Dag nabit! Where were you and your voice of reason 20 minutes ago Yas? I really could have used that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(CYGarland @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) :banghead VS. A TOUGH LH, I'll TAKE MARTE OVER VIZ. That's it. It's plain and simple. This isn't rocket science, Viz has no value whatsover if McCarthy is on the roster. your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:26 PM) than KW should talk to him about this. You can't go by your gut all the time. He doesnt have to look at stats at all in this situation, he just has to watch the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) So now were going by stats from two or three years ago? Im sorry those stats were from 2004. 2003 he barely pitched because of surgery. No im not but John and Ed talked about this a lot of times when Vizcaino was in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) Dag nabit! Where were you and your voice of reason 20 minutes ago Yas? I really could have used that. I was reading the first 10 pages of this idiotic thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) your Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Interesting note: I took a look at marte's splits agains the Yanks and Angles. Yanks: 1.64 ERA in 11.0 IP, 8 H, 10 BB, 4 SO Angels: 1.93 ERA in 9.1 IP, 6 H, 3 BB, 11 SO He must be hoping we play the Angels. Side Note: Agains the Red Sox - 3.75 ERA in 12.0 IP, 11 H, 6 BB, 9K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) Interesting note: I took a look at marte's splits agains the Yanks and Angles. Yanks: 1.64 ERA in 11.0 IP, 8 H, 10 BB, 4 SO Angels: 1.93 ERA in 9.1 IP, 6 H, 3 BB, 11 SO He must be hoping we play the Angels. Side Note: Agains the Red Sox - 3.75 ERA in 12.0 IP, 11 H, 6 BB, 9K that walk to strike out ratio scares the s*** out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I can see a situation where the Sox would bring Marte in (to face a guy he's owned in the past like G. Anderson). I see no reason to have Viz on the roster over McCarthy. The thing about lefty pitchers is that it's not always about how they are vs lefty batters. Sometimes, it's the opposite of that which is important. Some lefty hitters lose a lot of power when they have to face other lefties due to changes in their swings, as well as turning some switch hitters over. Isn't Chone a lot better against righties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Sox Fan Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 10:37 AM) Not what I would have done at all. If we lose this series, then Ozzie will be criticized regardless of what happens in Game 4. If Garland pitches great and we win the game, the question will then be why not pitch Garland earlier and give him two starts. If Jon pitches poorly and we lose the game, it's all on Ozzie for giving him such a long rest. I'd much rather switch Buehrle and Garland, especially if we're playing the Yankees. With all that said, I'm done being critical of Ozzie. He's gotten us this far and he knows the team far better than me, so it's probably a good move. EDIT: I guess I'm more upset since I feel Jon's getting shafted after being our best starter during the season and I don't think that's fair. If we lose the series, Ozzie will be criticized no matter what. All of us "experts" ripped him for sticking with Hernandez. Seemed like the right call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:32 PM) I can see a situation where the Sox would bring Marte in (to face a guy he's owned in the past like G. Anderson). I see no reason to have Viz on the roster over McCarthy. The thing about lefty pitchers is that it's not always about how they are vs lefty batters. Sometimes, it's the opposite of that which is important. Some lefty hitters lose a lot of power when they have to face other lefties due to changes in their swings, as well as turning some switch hitters over. Isn't Chone a lot better against righties? It doesn't matter at this point, they can go up there with the bat on their shoulders and be on first base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYGarland Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) I can see a situation where the Sox would bring Marte in (to face a guy he's owned in the past like G. Anderson). I see no reason to have Viz on the roster over McCarthy. The thing about lefty pitchers is that it's not always about how they are vs lefty batters. Sometimes, it's the opposite of that which is important. Some lefty hitters lose a lot of power when they have to face other lefties due to changes in their swings, as well as turning some switch hitters over. Isn't Chone a lot better against righties? Don't come in here and start making sense, it's a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) I don't think anybody has thought about this either but when Vizcaino's slider is on lefties can't hit him. Case in point 2003. Lefties hit .190 against him. I think i would rather risk Vizcaino's slider being on than Marte coming into a game. Well, if we want to cite last years stats, Marte is a shoo-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) that walk to strike out ratio scares the s*** out of me. I just looked at it year by year, 8 of those came in 5 innings of work back in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) Well, if we want to cite last years stats, Marte is a shoo-in. I think we should activate Scott Radinsky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 09:33 PM) It doesn't matter at this point, they can go up there with the bat on their shoulders and be on first base. Hey, you know I've always said that the best strategy against Marte would be just to not swing, and make him throw 3 pitches over the plate. I'm a little concerned that Cotts might be rusty if he has to come in for a big situation. However, I don't give a s*** how concerned I am, this is f***ing awesome right now. This debate is a lot better than discussing who should be our 1b next season, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) I think we should activate Scott Radinsky. It's Kirk McCaskill time. Damn thats an obscure reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Let's get Alex Fernandez and Jason Bere while we're at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) It's Kirk McCaskill time. Damn thats an obscure reference. Or Brian Keyser or Tim Fortugno. I'm showing my age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy! Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Why oh why doesn’t a reporter have the gumption to ask Ozzie – and keep asking after every game in which Marte embarrasses himself – why he insists on using Marte instead of Cotts. Isn’t there room somewhere amidst the softball tosses (“Ozzie, could you speak a little bit about how happy you were about blah, blah, blah?”) for a legit question like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GasHeGone Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 The Sox official site is reporting the Marte isn't going anywhere...and neither is McCarthy. While at first I thought that this was a s*** move, I don't know how I feel about BMac coming outta the bullpen in a close playoff game. It just doesn't feel like it would work. Of course, the same could be said of Marte. I don't know why Ozzie has so much faith in Damaso, but I guess we should trust Ozzie's gut. Hopefully, Damaso got all of his bed-s***ting out of the way in Boston. Remember, this guy used to be our top bullpen dog. I hope he can refocus. I kinda have to agree with Guillen when he cites the need for two lefties in the bullpen. It's a huge advantage. I don't think anyone else in the league has two lefty relievers. Hopefully, Damaso gets used more in the 6th and 7th and Cotts gets more 8th and 9th inning opportunities. As far as Contreras in Game 1, I was a little disappointed that Garland wasn't getting the start. However, I like our chances of winning that first game with the Count. Hopefully, Garland's simulated game will help him get back on track for a Game 3 start. And...if one of these first two games gets ridiculously close, maybe it wouldn't hurt to get Garland a couple dozen pitches. I wonder how'd he'd pitch outta the bullpen... He's probably better off startin'... What do you guys think of Garland's ridiculous amount of time off (10/1-10/14ish) and Marte's presence/BMac absence? I think we should've dropped Viz and brought on BMac. For some reason, I still have faith in Marte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesoxfan56 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 The Sox official site is reporting the Marte isn't going anywhere...and neither is McCarthy. While at first I thought that this was a s*** move, I don't know how I feel about BMac coming outta the bullpen in a close playoff game. It just doesn't feel like it would work. Of course, the same could be said of Marte. I don't know why Ozzie has so much faith in Damaso, but I guess we should trust Ozzie's gut. Hopefully, Damaso got all of his bed-s***ting out of the way in Boston. Remember, this guy used to be our top bullpen dog. I hope he can refocus. I kinda have to agree with Guillen when he cites the need for two lefties in the bullpen. It's a huge advantage. I don't think anyone else in the league has two lefty relievers. Hopefully, Damaso gets used more in the 6th and 7th and Cotts gets more 8th and 9th inning opportunities. As far as Contreras in Game 1, I was a little disappointed that Garland wasn't getting the start. However, I like our chances of winning that first game with the Count. Hopefully, Garland's simulated game will help him get back on track for a Game 3 start. And...if one of these first two games gets ridiculously close, maybe it wouldn't hurt to get Garland a couple dozen pitches. I wonder how'd he'd pitch outta the bullpen... He's probably better off startin'... What do you guys think of Garland's ridiculous amount of time off (10/1-10/14ish) and Marte's presence/BMac absence? I think we should've dropped Viz and brought on BMac. For some reason, I still have faith in Marte. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Already Posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted October 10, 2005 Share Posted October 10, 2005 I still think this is a bad move but what do I know. I could care less if he is on the roster as long as he is not on the mound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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