lackey starting today

[Flash Tizzle]

They better NOT change the ALCS schedule....

 

I'd like to hear the explanation behind delaying the ALCS.

 

It's too f***ing bad if weather effected yesterday's game. Both teams could have used yesterday to rest, if the issue of fatigue comes up. There are 40,000 tickets sold to Tuesday's game in Chicago. People have set their lives around attending a designated baseball game

 

But since I haven't heard any information on a possible schedule change, I have to believe it's unlikely.

Edited October 10, 2005 by Flash Tizzle

[hi8is]

that is, if the halos can finish it off now

 

ill be rooting for them, NY gave us a good win today... and i will not root for them ever again.

[Antonio Osuna]

that is, if the halos can finish it off now

 

ill be rooting for them, NY gave us a good win today... and i will not root for them ever again.

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Hell no. The Angels are by far the better team, and match up much better against our pitchers, especially Contreras.

 

All good White Sox fans right now should be chanting LET'S GO YANKEES.

[santo=dorf]

Yanks = Red Sox part II.

 

Bring 'em on.

[Rowand44]

Hell no. The Angels are by far the better team, and match up much better against our pitchers, especially Contreras.

 

All good White Sox fans right now should be chanting LET'S GO YANKEES.

We play like we did against Boston we'll beat either team, if we play like s*** we'll get beat by either team, that simple. Don't go telling people what "good white sox fans" should be doing as you're the one who predicted 75 wins this season and you're the one who said the red sox were going to kick our collective asses.

[hi8is]

We play like we did against Boston we'll beat either team, if we play like s*** we'll get beat by either team, that simple.  Don't go telling people what "good white sox fans" should be doing as you're the one who predicted 75 wins this season and you're the one who said the red sox were going to kick our collective asses.

someone just got owned

 

im now offically an internet geek.

[witesoxfan]

There are multiple differences between New York and Boston.

 

New York actually has a starting pitcher with an ERA under 4.00(counting Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon, they had 3, with RJ also doing it, and Wang had an ERA of 4.02, which isn't bad in itself). They are also a multi-dimensional offensive club, having had 4 people still double digit bases, and 2 steal 20+, though Womack won't be starting any time soon. There is also something about Mariano Rivera that scares the s*** out of me...perhaps something to do with his 0.87 WHIP on the year.

 

The Angels may be a worse matchup...but I like facing their starting pitching more, I like facing their bullpen more, and I like our offense and pitching staff at Edison more so than I do at Yankee stadium. The whole west coast thing could suck, but I honestly don't invision that being a problem.

 

Either way...if the Sox play up to their capabilities, they should be able to beat either team with relative ease.

[Antonio Osuna]

We play like we did against Boston we'll beat either team, if we play like s*** we'll get beat by either team, that simple.  Don't go telling people what "good white sox fans" should be doing as you're the one who predicted 75 wins this season and you're the one who said the red sox were going to kick our collective asses.

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Yeah, I was totally proven wrong on the preseason prediction. But I think its a lot easier to judge teams once you've seen them play for a whole season and an ALDS to boot.

 

Anaheim is a better team than either NYY or BOS. Much better. Everything we can do they can do better -- they got a better leadoff guy than Pods, they have a much better cleanup hitter (Konerko is unfit to even carry Vlad's jockstrap) etc. And they have Cy Fatso, K-Rod, and a bunch of no-names in the bullpen who throw heat and strikes. Do not be mislead by the record; its not their fault they caught the A's during their supernatural run.

 

Moreover, don't put too much stock in the Boston series. We lucked out a ton. Clement gave us Game 1 (though anyone who watched the 2003 NL Playoffs probably could have predicted it), and Graffanino gave us both Game 2 and Game 3 (he swung at TWO ball fours from el duque). Clearly, much of what we did came from our own merit, but we played good enough for maybe a 5 game win. We swept because Boston blew it.

 

BTW, the things that let us win the ALDS (overrated old pitchers, bad opposing defense) are found in abundance in the Bronx. Not so in LA of Anaheim.

[hi8is]

i remember why i personally dont care much for you osuna... and in the spirits of following the rules of soxtalk like a good unified clone, ill keep them to myself.

[witesoxfan]

they got a better leadoff guy than Pods,  etc.

 

How do you figure?

 

Figgins - .290 AVG, .352 OBP, 62 SBs

Podsednik - .290 AVG, .351 OBP, 59 SBs

 

they have a much better cleanup hitter (Konerko is unfit to even carry Vlad's jockstrap)

 

Vlad is better. He is not a semi-god while Konerko is dog s*** though either.

 

.283 40 100 .375/.534/.909 in roughly 650 PAs for PK

.317 32 108 .394/.565/.959 in roughly 580 PAs for Vlad

 

(pssssssss...Guerrero had 355 PAs hitting 3rd. Garret Anderson is unfit to even carry Konerko's jockstrap)

 

And they have Cy Fatso, K-Rod, and a bunch of no-names in the bullpen who throw heat and strikes.

 

Don't be so specific with your insight :rolly

 

Colon - 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 222.6 IP,

Buehrle - 3.12 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 236.6 IP

Garland - 3.50 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 221 IP

Contreras - 3.61 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 204.6 IP

 

Looks to me like the Sox have 2 pitchers who were on the same level as Colon this year, and I'm pretty sure we all know the story of Contreras.

 

KRod - 2.67 ERA, 1.14 WHIP in 67.3 IP, while posting roughly a 4.5 BB/9 and also putting up a ridiculous 3 K/BB ratio. Seems like he'll strike you out or walk you, does it not?

Hermanson - 2.04 ERA, 1.10 WHIP in 57.3 IP, posting a BB/9 of roughly 3, and a K/BB of 2.

Jenks - 2.75 ERA, 1.25 WHIP in 39.3 IP, putting up a BB/9 of just over 3, and a K/BB of just over 3, which is BETTER than KRod. But KRod is a god

 

Also...last time I checked, Politte threw it 95, Marte threw it 95, Cotts threw it 93, Vizcaino threw it 93...the Sox have guys that can throw it hard too. They also happen to have one of the best postseason pitchers of the past 10 years in the pen...perhaps you recall him getting out of a bases loaded, 0 out situation when the Sox were up by 1, allowing no runs in doing so.

 

 

I also find it interesting you made no mention of the Sox #2 hitter compared to the Angels #2 hitter. Iguchi > Cabrera/Erstad.

 

Do not be mislead by the record; its not their fault they caught the A's during their supernatural run.

 

The Sox did too. That point holds absolutely no ground whatsoever. Or maybe you don't recall that the Sox lost something like 7 out of the 9 games to Oakland this year.

 

and Graffanino gave us both Game 2 and Game 3 (he swung at TWO ball fours from el duque).

 

Credit Iguchi for hitting the bending curve...no runs scored because of Graffanino's error whatsoever. They all scored because Iguchi hit a hanger.

 

I'm not really surprised to see you give no credit to Duque...it's all the Sawx fault.

 

Clearly, much of what we did came from our own merit, but we played good enough for maybe a 5 game win.  We swept because Boston blew it.

 

Someone had to execute at some point in time, no? The Sox swept because they executed everything correctly and they capitalized on mistakes. Period.

 

BTW, the things that let us win the ALDS (overrated old pitchers, bad opposing defense) are found in abundance in the Bronx. Not so in LA of Anaheim.

 

Chacon is 27(assuming I did my math correctly), Wang is 25, Small is 33...they are not all old and overrrated.

 

And it's not like New York can't play defense either. Jeter won a gold glove last year, undeservedly as it may be, and ARod has won a gold glove in the past at SS, and is above average defensively at 3B. Tino Martinez is still solid defensively at 1B, and Matsui is very solid no matter where he goes in the OF. Anaheim is probably better...but Anaheim is not like exponentionally better than New York defensively like you are trying to portray it.

 

You also failed to mention how much better Mariano Rivera really is than KRod.

 

Krod - 2.67 ERA, 1.14 WHIP in 67.3 IP, BB/9 of 4.5, K/BB of 3.

Mo - 1.38 ERA, 0.87 WHIP in 78.3 IP, BB/9 of 2.07, K/BB of just over 4.

 

You tell me which is better and who you'd rather face.

Edited October 10, 2005 by witesoxfan

[SSH2005]

Moreover, don't put too much stock in the Boston series. We lucked out a ton. Clement gave us Game 1 (though anyone who watched the 2003 NL Playoffs probably could have predicted it), and Graffanino gave us both Game 2 and Game 3 (he swung at TWO ball fours from el duque). Clearly, much of what we did came from our own merit, but we played good enough for maybe a 5 game win.  We swept because Boston blew it.

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This is an embarrassment of a post. Pitching, defense, and hitting are all a part of baseball. Boston didn't give us anything. They just failed at the three fundamentals of baseball.

 

Clement was Boston's Game 1 starter. They signed him and he pitched poorly. Do you think Clement was intentionally tanking the game? No, he just got beat by our hitters. How is that luck?

 

Graffanino failed defensively. Watch the replay and you will see why. He was trying to turn an inning-ending double play before he even fielded the ball. He beat himself.

 

Also, why is Graffanino not taking ball 4 just Boston giving us the game instead of good pitching by El Duque? He threw great pitches that they felt they had to swing at. El Duque just flat-out beat Boston's hitters. How is that luck?

 

Pitching wins in the playoffs. Boston didn't have it and we did. That isn't luck. That's baseball.

Edited October 10, 2005 by SSH2005

[qwerty]

How do you figure?

 

Figgins - .290 AVG, .352 OBP, 62 SBs

Podsednik - .290 AVG, .351 OBP, 59 SBs

Vlad is better.  He is not a semi-god while Konerko is dog s*** though either.

 

.283 40 100 .375/.534/.909 in roughly 650 PAs for PK

.317 32 108 .394/.565/.959 in roughly 580 PAs for Vlad

 

(pssssssss...Guerrero had 355 PAs hitting 3rd.  Garret Anderson is unfit to even carry Konerko's jockstrap)

Don't be so specific with your insight :rolly

 

Colon - 3.48 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 222.6 IP,

Buehrle - 3.12 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, 236.6 IP

Garland - 3.50 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, 221 IP

Contreras - 3.61 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 204.6 IP

 

Looks to me like the Sox have 2 pitchers who were on the same level as Colon this year, and I'm pretty sure we all know the story of Contreras.

 

KRod - 2.67 ERA, 1.14 WHIP in 67.3 IP, while posting roughly a 4.5 BB/9 and also putting up a ridiculous 3 K/BB ratio.  Seems like he'll strike you out or walk you, does it not? 

Hermanson - 2.04 ERA, 1.10 WHIP in 57.3 IP, posting a BB/9 of roughly 3, and a K/BB of 2.

Jenks - 2.75 ERA, 1.25 WHIP in 39.3 IP, putting up a BB/9 of just over 3, and a K/BB of just over 3, which is BETTER than KRod.  But KRod is a god

 

Also...last time I checked, Politte threw it 95, Marte threw it 95, Cotts threw it 93, Vizcaino threw it 93...the Sox have guys that can throw it hard too.  They also happen to have one of the best postseason pitchers of the past 10 years in the pen...perhaps you recall him getting out of a bases loaded, 0 out situation when the Sox were up by 1, allowing no runs in doing so. 

I also find it interesting you made no mention of the Sox #2 hitter compared to the Angels #2 hitter.  Iguchi > Cabrera/Erstad. 

The Sox did too.  That point holds absolutely no ground whatsoever.  Or maybe you don't recall that the Sox lost something like 7 out of the 9 games to Oakland this year. 

Credit Iguchi for hitting the bending curve...no runs scored because of Graffanino's error whatsoever.  They all scored because Iguchi hit a hanger.

 

I'm not really surprised to see you give no credit to Duque...it's all the Sawx fault.

Someone had to execute at some point in time, no?  The Sox swept because they executed everything correctly and they capitalized on mistakes.  Period.

Chacon is 27(assuming I did my math correctly), Wang is 25, Small is 33...they are not all old and overrrated. 

 

And it's not like New York can't play defense either.  Jeter won a gold glove last year, undeservedly as it may be, and ARod has won a gold glove in the past at SS, and is above average defensively at 3B.  Tino Martinez is still solid defensively at 1B, and Matsui is very solid no matter where he goes in the OF.  Anaheim is probably better...but Anaheim is not like exponentionally better than New York defensively like you are trying to portray it.

 

You also failed to mention how much better Mariano Rivera really is than KRod. 

 

Krod - 2.67 ERA, 1.14 WHIP in 67.3 IP, BB/9 of 4.5, K/BB of 3.

Mo - 1.38 ERA, 0.87 WHIP in 78.3 IP, BB/9 of 2.07, K/BB of just over 4. 

 

You tell me which is better and who you'd rather face.

 

Welp... you pwned the f*** out of him.

[SSH2005]

Also...last time I checked, Politte threw it 95, Marte threw it 95, Cotts threw it 93, Vizcaino threw it 93...the Sox have guys that can throw it hard too.

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El Duque even hit 93 in the game. When he gets a lot of rest, he has his best stuff. When he is in the rotation every week, he gets burned out.

[Rowand44]

Pitching wins in the playoffs.  Boston didn't have it and we did.  That isn't luck.  That's baseball.

The pitch that the duke popped graff up on was just an awesome slider, started in broke down and away, ended up right on the outside corner and got graff to go after it, GREAT pitching there, not much many hitters would do different.

[SSH2005]

The pitch that the duke popped graff up on was just an awesome slider, started in broke down and away, ended up right on the outside corner and got graff to go after it, GREAT pitching there, not much many hitters would do different.

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Antonio Osuna doesn't seem to understand that hitters can be beat by good pitches. He seems to think that every hitter should be able to take every ball 4, regardless of how good the pitch is. Baseball obviously doesn't work like that. Hitters swing at ball 4's because they are protecting the plate or think they are strikes.

Edited October 10, 2005 by SSH2005

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 10:35 PM)

Moreover, don't put too much stock in the Boston series. We lucked out a ton. Clement gave us Game 1 (though anyone who watched the 2003 NL Playoffs probably could have predicted it), and Graffanino gave us both Game 2 and Game 3 (he swung at TWO ball fours from el duque). Clearly, much of what we did came from our own merit, but we played good enough for maybe a 5 game win.  We swept because Boston blew it.

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That's a damn trollish, Tim Wakefield thing to say.

 

:headshake

[SSH2005]

That's a damn trollish, Tim Wakefield thing to say.

 

:headshake

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Antonio Osuna is the same guy who thought the Sox historically struggle to hit Wakefield.

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...ndpost&p=906829

Wakefield has given us tons of trouble historically. We don't hit knucklers well unless they are named Steve W. Sparks.

Wakefield's 2005 and career numbers against the Sox show the exact opposite. The Sox have always pounded Wakefield. Osuna seems to try to turn anything and everything into a negative thought, even when he is basically warping reality.

Edited October 10, 2005 by SSH2005

[3E8]

How do you figure?

 

Figgins - .290 AVG, .352 OBP, 62 SBs

Podsednik - .290 AVG, .351 OBP, 59 SBs

Well the difference must be in the SLG% and stolen base % because Figgins produces about 60% more offensive WS/G than Podsednik.

[SSH2005]

Well the difference must be in the SLG% and stolen base % because Figgins produces about 60% more offensive WS/G than Podsednik.

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You are correct. It is the difference.

[witesoxfan]

Well the difference must be in the SLG% and stolen base % because Figgins produces about 60% more offensive WS/G than Podsednik.

 

Figgins did slug better than Podsednik...nothing is stopping that.

 

However...if I can delve into the "what if" excuse game for a moment...what if Podsednik does not injure his hamstring? How many bases does he steal? And more importantly, how many of his caught stealings now are translated into SBs due to being fully healthy?

 

Pehaps, 80-90 SBs?

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(3E8 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 11:54 PM)

Well the difference must be in the SLG% and stolen base % because Figgins produces about 60% more offensive WS/G than Podsednik.

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Can I use the Osuna excuse by saying Figgins' numbers were due to luck? :rolly

[SSH2005]

Figgins did slug better than Podsednik...nothing is stopping that.

 

However...if I can delve into the "what if" excuse game for a moment...what if Podsednik does not injure his hamstring?  How many bases does he steal?  And more importantly, how many of his caught stealings now are translated into SBs due to being fully healthy?

 

Pehaps, 80-90 SBs?

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True, but Podsednik did get injured and it did affect his basestealing. Podsednik was only 1 for 3 stealing bases in the Boston series. He stole 3rd but he was caught twice trying to steal 2nd base which should be much easier. That's not good. I hope these few days of rest will be enough for Podsednik's legs.

Edited October 10, 2005 by SSH2005

[Rowand44]

True, but Podsednik did get injured and it did affect his basestealing.  Podsednik was only 1 for 3 stealing bases in the Boston series.  He stole 3rd but he was caught twice trying to steal 2nd base which should be much easier.  That's not good.  I hope these few days of rest will be enough for Podsednik's legs.

??? Stealing third is much easier then stealing 2nd for a good base stealer.

[SSH2005]

???  Stealing third is much easier then stealing 2nd for a good base stealer.

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How so? There is an element of surprise when stealing 3rd base but the catcher's throw to 2nd base is longer than the throw to 3rd base.

Edited October 10, 2005 by SSH2005

[witesoxfan]

True, but Podsednik did get injured and it did affect his basestealing.  Podsednik was only 1 for 3 stealing bases in the Boston series.  He stole 3rd but he was caught twice trying to steal 2nd base which should be much easier.  That's not good.  I hope these few days of rest will be enough for Podsednik's legs.

 

Agreed very much. I was just suggesting that the numbers would be much closer had Podsednik not gotten injured.

 

After all, the Boston-Chicago series may have just ended tonight had Graffanino only taken that ball 4. :rolly