IlliniKrush Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire. Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'. Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says. I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Thank you Doug Eddings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Guys is there ANY way that call can be turned over and they have to play again starting in the 10th? or can you put this W in the books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire. Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'. Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says. I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen. I was wondering about this but does anyone know if that can be protested by the Angels. I absolutely hate winning like this. But on the other hand hats off to Mark Buehrle, he was phenomenal tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire. Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'. Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says. I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen. If you are correct, tune in to the Baseball Tonight crew. You will get a good laugh at how bad they're butchering this rule right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire. Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'. Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says. I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen. Can't that be a strike call though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) If you are correct, tune in to the Baseball Tonight crew. You will get a good laugh at how bad they're butchering this rule right now. I'm definitely correct. The fist doesn't mean he swung. The fist means two things at the same time: Caught (no dirt) and batter is out. It's not arm for swing and fist for he swung again. Also, when it's done so lacksadaisacal like that, it is signifying that the ump knows he caught it for sure. Once he ruled out instead of asking for help (and there are subtle ways to do this with the other umpires), he's out. The umpire then backtracked, for whatever reason. I don't know what's going to come out of his mouth, but he won't be able to sleep tonight. I still can't believe it. And i'm not b****ing. I'm just trying to help some people understand this. And i'm watching BBTN, they butched it badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 stfu noob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:18 PM) Can't that be a strike call though? The extended arm means he swung through it for a strike. The fist can only mean out at that time. It wouldn't mean 'strike' again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 "Rule 6.09 When a batter becomes a base runner on a third strike not caught by the catcher and starts for the dugout, or his position, and then realizes his situation and attempts then to reach first base, he is not out unless he or first base is tagged before he reaches first base. If, however, he actually reaches the dugout or dugout steps, he may not then attempt to go to first base and shall be out." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:20 PM) I'm definitely correct. The fist doesn't mean he swung. The fist means two things at the same time: Caught (no dirt) and batter is out. It's not arm for swing and fist for he swung again. Also, when it's done so lacksadaisacal like that, it is signifying that the ump knows he caught it for sure. Once he ruled out instead of asking for help (and there are subtle ways to do this with the other umpires), he's out. The umpire then backtracked, for whatever reason. I don't know what's going to come out of his mouth, but he won't be able to sleep tonight. I still can't believe it. And i'm not b****ing. I'm just trying to help some people understand this. And i'm watching BBTN, they butched it badly. It's Sports Center...not BBTN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Blackjack McDowell just made a great f***ing point, one that I meant to make this afternoon. Everyone will b**** about the call tonight, but Cabrera got away with an illegal slide to break up that DP last night that gave the Angels the 3rd run. Cabrera came out of his slide and rolled into Iguchi. That's an illegal slide, and theoretically, it should have been a DP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 i love winning like this, if everyone hates it i love it...lets be the damn raiders of baseball... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(bmags @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) i love winning like this, if everyone hates it i love it...lets be the damn raiders of baseball... I agree And your sig is great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 im still pretty sure that Paul didnt get ALLLLLL glove on that ball..... i think the call was right. Paul is a pussy, and his mistake cost his team..... give the AL's best record an extra out and see what happens. we win, they lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 lmao. raiders of baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balance Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) Blackjack McDowell just made a great f***ing point, one that I meant to make this afternoon. Everyone will b**** about the call tonight, but Cabrera got away with an illegal slide to break up that DP last night that gave the Angels the 3rd run. Cabrera came out of his slide and rolled into Iguchi. That's an illegal slide, and theoretically, it should have been a DP. While I agree with you 100%, that situation didn't result in a run for the Angels. That would weaken our "they got some breaks with calls, too" argument on that particular instance. Glad we won, just pointing that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 But ya know what....all these f***in umpires really have their own little set of "things" they do...so unless he actually said "out"....AJ did the smart thing. Paul shoulda been a little smarter and just tagged him anyway for safe measure. On a different note....wasn't that a full count...and AJ swung at ball 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Eddings is on ESPN now, good God this is hard to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Probably the cheapest win we've ever had. I remember a few bad ump calls going against us this year, and I normally wouldn't mind getting one back but in the ALCS!?!? Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 Eddings sure sounds like a guy who is trying to talk his way out of a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Eddings sure sounds like a guy who is trying to talk his way out of a mistake. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What is he saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 10:34 PM) Eddings sure sounds like a guy who is trying to talk his way out of a mistake. He sounds like he has no idea what the f*** he is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 First Graffy, now Josh I love ex-Sox players. JR must have them still on the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 QUOTE(Balance @ Oct 12, 2005 -> 09:31 PM) While I agree with you 100%, that situation didn't result in a run for the Angels. That would weaken our "they got some breaks with calls, too" argument on that particular instance. Glad we won, just pointing that out. Um...yes it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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