fathom Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 The thing with Augustine is that he's never developed range on his shot. As a matter of fact, he was a better outside shooter as a freshman than he is now. If Augie makes the NBA, he should send his entire check to Dee and Deron. Augie gets so many easy layups during a game. And speaking of the Illini, am I the only one who doesn't understand the Frazier love? Many Illini fans think he's this great future player, but basically all I see is a WNBA look-a-like who dribbles the ball up the court, and then just passes to a wing player. If he's the Illini starter at point guard during his career, they're going to be a mid-level Big 10 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) The thing with Augustine is that he's never developed range on his shot. As a matter of fact, he was a better outside shooter as a freshman than he is now. If Augie makes the NBA, he should send his entire check to Dee and Deron. Augie gets so many easy layups during a game. And speaking of the Illini, am I the only one who doesn't understand the Frazier love? Many Illini fans think he's this great future player, but basically all I see is a WNBA look-a-like who dribbles the ball up the court, and then just passes to a wing player. If he's the Illini starter at point guard during his career, they're going to be a mid-level Big 10 team. Agreed on Augie. As for Frazier, he's VERY good at everything but shooting, hence his stats suck. If he can develop a decent shot, he'll be a very nice bench player. I don't see him ever starting though, unless we don't bring in another class of 2006 player, at which point he might start next year if Rich can't play point. (although I figure next year will be a transition year anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 04:11 PM) Agreed on Augie. As for Frazier, he's VERY good at everything but shooting, hence his stats suck. If he can develop a decent shot, he'll be a very nice bench player. I don't see him ever starting though, unless we don't bring in another class of 2006 player, at which point he might start next year if Rich can't play point. (although I figure next year will be a transition year anyways). he's very good at everything but shooting? ...ok He's a pretty good defender, that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(SnB @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 10:13 PM) he's very good at everything but shooting? ...ok He's a pretty good defender, that's about it. See, that was what I was talking about. Someone who is very good at everything but shooting would be Julian Wright. To say Frazier is "VERY" good is a gross exaggeration in my eyes. However, I do appreciate the talk about things like this, as you can never get a legit conversation on the illiniboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 04:15 PM) See, that was what I was talking about. Someone who is very good at everything but shooting would be Julian Wright. To say Frazier is "VERY" good is a gross exaggeration in my eyes. However, I do appreciate the talk about things like this, as you can never get a legit conversation on the illiniboard. Illiniboard is full of pricks and cubbie like crazy optimistics. I stopped reading it when one day they complained about assembly hall being too quiet, then the next week they complained about krush jumping up and down and screaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(SnB @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 10:17 PM) Illiniboard is full of pricks and cubbie like crazy optimistics. I stopped reading it when one day they complained about assembly hall being too quiet, then the next week they complained about krush jumping up and down and screaming. The thing I can't stand is that they think refs are totally out to get them. Every game, win or lose, there's 20 threads b****ing about the refs. And then, if another team's site complains about the refs in the game, they'll state how much those teams are whining. There are always ticky-tack fouls and questionable calls during a game. Sometimes, you just need to make sure you outscore the opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 04:08 PM) And speaking of the Illini, am I the only one who doesn't understand the Frazier love? Defense basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(SnB @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 04:13 PM) he's very good at everything but shooting? ...ok He's a pretty good defender, that's about it. Frazier is a good ball handler in addition to being a good defender. He also is one of the few Illini this year that has shown any ability to penetrate and make things happen. In addition, he seems like he is a very tough player (coming back very quickly from that leg injury he had earlier in the year). As noted however, he is a terrible shooter but that is a skill that can be developed. If he never develops that skill, he will be a solid guard to have coming off the bench. Watch out for Trent Meachem next year to push Chester to start at the point. Also, on the subject of Illiniboard, it used to be a pretty solid site three of four years ago. Now it is very difficult to get a solid basketball discussion going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 04:19 PM) Sometimes, you just need to make sure you outscore the opposition. Unless you are playing Duke and they get to shoot 30 more FTs then you do and get to hammer your player at the end of the game without getting called for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Martin put up 42 and 10 last night as Valpo moved to 16-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) Julian Wright is s***ty??? He is probably the best passing big I have seen in a long time. who cares if he cannot shoot 3's. He is starting to become an absolute beast, he was at first hesitant to bang with the big boys. He pulled down 8 boards against thte likes of Bookout and Gray. If illinois thinks guys by the name of Trent Meacham are saviors...hahahaaa. You see Illinois has zero inside game and if they cannot hit their 3's game...well game over. p.s. julian wright is shooting 53.1 percent from the field, that would be second best on the illini. Edited February 6, 2006 by Jimbo's Drinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 10:09 PM) Julian Wright is s***ty??? He is probably the best passing big I have seen in a long time. who cares if he cannot shoot 3's. He is starting to become an absolute beast, he was at first hesitant to bang with the big boys. He pulled down 8 boards against thte likes of Bookout and Gray. If illinois thinks guys by the name of Trent Meacham are saviors...hahahaaa. You see Illinois has zero inside game and if they cannot hit their 3's game...well game over. p.s. julian wright is shooting 53.1 percent from the field, that would be second best on the illini. Never said Meacham was a savior, just that he would push Frazier for playing time at the point next year. I will be the first person to admit next year is not going to be a great year for the Illini, and hopefully there will just be one year of Meacham/Frazier running the point before Derrick Rose takes over the reigns (knock on wood). Illinois is struggling on the interior this year as much because their guards don't look to make a solid entry pass as anything else. You can really see Shaun Pruitt getting frusturated in some games by his lack of touches. That being said, yes Illinois does live and die by the three point shot. However, I will not complain about being 20-3 this year with a team that should probably be a 3 or a 4 seed in the tournament. As far as Julian Wright goes, yes of course I would love to see Wright wearing the Orange and Blue, and no I disagree with whoever said he was a s***ty player. Julian Wright is going to be a force, though he would be an even better player if he developed some range on his jump shot, much like Brian Randle for the Illini (not comparing the two as players, just the easiest guy to point out what a different player he could be with a solid jump shot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) Julian Wright will be just fine, he has hit a bunch of 20 footers this year. I do believe he is KU's best all around player. oh and how is this for a sight. We will call this next KU star..Mini DEE Edited February 6, 2006 by Jimbo's Drinker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Some guy named Verdell Jones, a 2008 recruite from none other than Champaign made his second trip to AFH today. Could it be another stolen recruit from illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Jimbo, you ready for this Saturday...I'm expecting a better game than the one in Hilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I was out of town this weekend, did i miss anything in college hoops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 11:22 PM) Jimbo, you ready for this Saturday...I'm expecting a better game than the one in Hilton. What was wrong with the last game, seemed find to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 6, 2006 -> 12:03 AM) What was wrong with the last game, seemed find to me. I hear Curtis Stinson loves Allen Fieldhouse. Heck, maybe he'll play better than he did against CU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 What the hell, did I miss "bash your team" weekend or something? At least none of you have it as bad as us NU people. This is going to sound weird since I've been bashing them all year, but I'm starting to warm up to the Illini a bit more. I used to whole-heartedly agree with Chisoxfn, but their defense has been better than I expected in Big Ten play, and McBride and Randle are starting to become bigger offensive threats. They definitely rely way too much on the 3, but they've started playing a bit better even if Dee shoots like crap. That said, they still have some tough teams left to go. They've still got a shot to win the conference, but they're going to have to win a tough one to compensate for that Penn State loss. They look like a #3 seed that'll make the Sweet 16, but I wouldn't count on them beating someone good. If they get a tough #6 seed they could go down though. Indiana and Wisconsin also really seem to be slipping right now. I expected a drop-off from Wisconsin, but I didn't expect a loss to Purdue. Neither of them are in sync now, and that is really dangerous in the Big Ten. I think Indiana can still come up with a tough win somewhere with a good shooting night, but Wisconsin has been brutal. That unexpected Illinois loss really seemed to open up the conference a lot. Now that Iowa has a one game lead on everyone their chances got a lot better, although they have to shoot more like they did the last few games than they did early. As I said last time, Illinois, MSU, and Michigan are right in the thick of it, and one of those teams will probably win the conference. I don't want to rule out OSU though because they have a balanced team that is fairly deep. They have a lot of tough games left though, and their best win to this point by far is Wisconsin at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GasHeGone Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 http://www.postgazette.com/pg/05005/437358.stm Article from last year. This guy was WRONG. Hoyas, baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Refs from the FSU-Duke game on Saturday got suspended LINK FSU got screwed bad on that call. Shelden Williams got fouled pretty hard, gets up and gets in the FSU players face who does nothing but back away and he gets a T for it which of course was his 5th foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I am so damn sick of Duke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 ACC also had "talks" with the refs from the Duke-BC game, as well as talking to BC's coach about it. Atleast the bias is finally getting out to the media now, but I don't expect much to come of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Feb 6, 2006 -> 11:00 AM) ACC also had "talks" with the refs from the Duke-BC game, as well as talking to BC's coach about it. Atleast the bias is finally getting out to the media now, but I don't expect much to come of it. Not in conference, we will have to wait till the Tourney where JJ misses 13-17 3 pointers and they lose again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 5, 2006 -> 03:54 PM) :rolly You didn't hit a shot at the horn that appeared to win the game. And Julian Wright is still having a s*** year, but he's going to develop into a solid ballplayer. s*** year?? LOl you obviously know very little about college hoops. ROCK CHALK. Coincidence that Self's full court traps and pressure won that game for them?? Probably not, he could'nt be that smart of a coach . They only get better from here folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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