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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 23, 2006 -> 05:53 AM)
He won't end up at Illinois as long as his brother is running the show, no chance in hell.  I had bad feelings about that since I read it 6 weeks ago, seeing as his brother is a failed athlete trying to live through his brother.  This isn't going in a good direction at all.

 

I just read the whole Rose thread on the illiniboard, and here's the problem I have with these accusations.....say Rose does end up going to Illinois. Does this mean that Weber paid him to go there? From my experience working around collegiate athletic departments, all major programs are dirty.

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QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 23, 2006 -> 12:28 AM)
I just read the whole Rose thread on the illiniboard, and here's the problem I have with these accusations.....say Rose does end up going to Illinois.  Does this mean that Weber paid him to go there?  From my experience working around collegiate athletic departments, all major programs are dirty.

 

That's a good point, but I'd be SHOCKED if he ends up at Illinois. Get back to me if it actually happens, but I agree with you, they are all dirty.

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QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Feb 23, 2006 -> 01:26 AM)
MSU is seriously underachieving.  That team has way too much talent to be so inconsistent.

 

They have the same issues as Gonzaga this year, not tough enough on the glass or defense to win the big game. Izzo is a smart man though, and he could have them in the Final 4 for all we know, which is in part (along with his just not being an asswipe like most great coaches) why I like him so much.

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 23, 2006 -> 01:29 AM)
They have the same issues as Gonzaga this year, not tough enough on the glass or defense to win the big game.  Izzo is a smart man though, and he could have them in the Final 4 for all we know, which is in part (along with his just not being an asswipe like most great coaches) why I like him so much.

 

The best Izzo teams have always had a ton of depth in the frontcourt, and I really think that is the weakness of this MSU team, beyond Davis there is not much there. They could absolutely make a run deep in the tourney because of their big 3, but the Izzo teams I remember always had bigs they could keep throwing at you. They are the most talented scoring team in the big 10, but the role players just are not there.

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QUOTE(illinilaw08 @ Feb 23, 2006 -> 07:52 AM)
The best Izzo teams have always had a ton of depth in the frontcourt, and I really think that is the weakness of this MSU team, beyond Davis there is not much there.  They could absolutely make a run deep in the tourney because of their big 3, but the Izzo teams I remember always had bigs they could keep throwing at you.  They are the most talented scoring team in the big 10, but the role players just are not there.

 

trannon was probably their best big man besides davis. so much for that.

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I'm definitely mystified by this MSU team. On paper, they looked like a top 5 team that could run away with the conference. It just hasn't materialized though. Even taking the Ager/Brown/Davis trio out of the equation, guys like Gray and Trannon are awesome athletes that could be making as big an impact as Randle (or bigger), and Neitzel seems to have enough talent to be a top PG. They just haven't been consistent enough though.

 

What's funny is I felt the same way about their team last year, only obviously the PG spot was a bigger issue. This just seems like a team that could beat anyone if they went out their and played their best game, but they never seem to do it.

 

I shudder to think of what they would be doing if Weber was coaching that level of talent.

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QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 23, 2006 -> 05:13 PM)
No way in hell.

 

I actually agree with JD on this one. While Weber is a very good coach, Izzo just has had far more success at this point. We can compare Weber to Izzo when he has won a NC and been to a couple more final 4s. Far to early in Weber's career to make a good comparison.

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QUOTE(illinilaw08 @ Feb 23, 2006 -> 05:45 PM)
I actually agree with JD on this one.  While Weber is a very good coach, Izzo just has had far more success at this point.  We can compare Weber to Izzo when he has won a NC and been to a couple more final 4s.  Far to early in Weber's career to make a good comparison.

 

Even if the Illini had won it all last year, I still wouldn't rank him over Izzo. The Illini need sustained success before you can really argue who's better.

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