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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:13 PM)
So they're 1 and 3 against tourny teams.  I know I've said it enough but they won't get past the first weekend.

 

Depends on the seed and the draw they get IMO. If they play someone that can put a tall, athletic wing on Morrison, I agree with you. If Morrison goes off, I could see them surviving that first weekend. I don't like him, but if he gets hotter than a pistol, watch out.

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QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 05:16 AM)
Well their conference is terrible. Also, they played 5 teams when they were ranked and lost to 3 of them.  And yeah, how many of these teams will make the tourney? Gonzaga can't defend anyone, they are so overrated it's ridiculous.

 

You said they didn't play anybody. I just corrected you on that.

 

The rest is unrelated.

 

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QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:16 PM)
Well their conference is terrible. Also, they played 5 teams when they were ranked and lost to 3 of them.  And yeah, how many of these teams will make the tourney? Gonzaga can't defend anyone, they are so overrated it's ridiculous.

 

Rankings don't matter, seeding does. They will not be a 1 or a 2 seed. As already has been mentioned, they can't control their conference. You have to give Gonzaga respect for playing tough competition outside of confrence play (espeicially since you can't fault Gonzaga that a lot of their competition underacheived).

 

I still agree with you they are overrated, just not by as much as you do.

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QUOTE(illinilaw08 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:16 PM)
Depends on the seed and the draw they get IMO.  If they play someone that can put a tall, athletic wing on Morrison, I agree with you.  If Morrison goes off, I could see them surviving that first weekend.  I don't like him, but if he gets hotter than a pistol, watch out.

To be honest, I don't think it's going to matter whether Morrison goes off or not. They're one of the worst defensive teams in the country and they'll be exploited come tourny time imo.

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QUOTE(illinilaw08 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:20 PM)
Rankings don't matter, seeding does.  They will not be a 1 or a 2 seed.  As already has been mentioned, they can't control their conference.  You have to give Gonzaga respect for playing tough competition outside of confrence play (espeicially since you can't fault Gonzaga that a lot of their competition underacheived).

 

I still agree with you they are overrated, just not by as much as you do.

They won't be a 1 but there is a good shot they get a 2.

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:20 PM)
To be honest, I don't think it's going to matter whether Morrison goes off or not.  They're one of the worst defensive teams in the country and they'll be exploited come tourny time imo.

 

Yeah, they aren't a great defensive team, but one of the reasons I think Morrison can carry them is that this is such a down year in college basketball. There is a ton of pairity, and if Morrison gets his points, Gonzaga will have a chance in most of the games they play (unless they run into an athletic, defensive oriented team in which case I agree they will get run out of the gym.

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:21 PM)
They won't be a 1 but there is a good shot they get a 2.

I honestly don't think they will get a 2. Gonzaga has been here before with the hype, the high ranking, and the very good record. I think the cupcake confrence they play in will hurt their seed once again (and rightfully so), but that's just IMHO.

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QUOTE(illinilaw08 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:25 PM)
I honestly don't think they will get a 2.  Gonzaga has been here before with the hype, the high ranking, and the very good record.  I think the cupcake confrence they play in will hurt their seed once again (and rightfully so), but that's just IMHO.

Eh, they were a 2, two years ago, a 3 last year, and they'll probably finish with a better record this year then last with a better rpi then last. If they win out, which they probably will and should then they'll be a 2 imo.

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QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:24 PM)
Here's $20 that says Gonzaga will be in the Sweet 16.  Any takers???

If Krush gives me my 20 bucks back then I'm down. :P Seriously, if I had any money I'd be down for that but poor college kid and so on. I'm up for a sig bet if you'd like?

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:27 PM)
Eh, they were a 2, two years ago, a 3 last year, and they'll probably finish with a better record this year then last with a better rpi then last.  If they win out, which they probably will and should then they'll be a 2 imo.

 

My bad, should have done my research on that one. Alcohol has clearly killed a lot of brain cells from the undergrad years.

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QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:17 PM)
You said they didn't play anybody.  I just corrected you on that. 

 

The rest is unrelated.

 

:fight

Yeah, fair point, and i know they can't control conference, but it doesn't mean they don't play those teams.

 

I just am pissed about the Gonzaga hype that has really gotten going with all these W's against nobody...i guess that's what i'm referring to more than their non conference schedule. I should have been more specific.

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QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Feb 27, 2006 -> 11:29 PM)
If Krush gives me my 20 bucks back then I'm down. :P   Seriously, if I had any money I'd be down for that but poor college kid and so on.  I'm up for a sig bet if you'd like?

It's hard to give you money that i don't even have yet :bang

 

And i'd have to see who the 7 is in Gonzaga's bracket. I can't see them going further than the sweet 16...but i don't guarantee they lose first weekend like the Saluki over here does.

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QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 12:00 AM)
It's hard to give you money that i don't even have yet  :bang

You better be getting it soon or I'm going to be pissed cause I'm out 20 bucks. Speaking of that, let me know when you get it.

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

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QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 12:00 AM)
And i'd have to see who the 7 is in Gonzaga's bracket. I can't see them going further than the sweet 16...but i don't guarantee they lose first weekend like the Saluki over here does.

It's become my guarantee, I'll even put it in my sig. Lets see if I'm Joe Naimath or Dmitry Young. :D

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QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 28, 2006 -> 09:49 AM)
I find it hilarious that there is a site with Iowa fans that want Steve Alford FIRED AND there is a site of Indiana fans wanting Steve Alford HIRED at the same time.  Kind of ironic.

 

http://www.firestevealford.com

 

http://www.hirestevealford.com

 

Hahahaha. That is awesome.

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Absolutely fantastic article by Jerry Palm of Collegerpi.

 

Repeat after me: Conferences don't get bids, teams do.

I can't hear you!

 

OK, that's better, I guess.

 

That is the reason why there is a distinct possibility that the Missouri Valley could see up to six of its teams get called on selection Sunday. There is also a distinct possibility none would be seeded higher than seventh, but that's not the point. The point is that there are six teams in that league with tournament-worthy credentials or close to it.

 

There are four major conferences that may not do as well. The ACC has four strong teams, but no other team has stepped up and made a case at all. The Big 12 and Pac 10 have three solid teams each, but only three other teams in those two leagues combined figure to receive any serious discussion in the committee room. The SEC has three solid teams and three right-side-of-the-fence teams (for now), but those could go away too. It is all this weakness in the major conferences that has opened the door for the non-majors to get some bids they normally wouldn't get.

 

However, most of those leagues don't have candidates that are any better. The Mountain West is down this year, with only two top 50 RPI non-conference wins, neither by a contender. The Colonial only has one among its contenders, and it didn't get that until George Mason beat Wichita St in the bracket buster. The A-10 is GW and the 13 dwarves. Conference USA is a shell of its former self. Only the teams in the Missouri Valley have stepped forward to stake something of a claim. The league has six top 50 RPI teams. I draw the line at top 50 because on average, only two at-large bids per year go outside that group. Only the Big Ten and Big East have more, while the SEC has as many.

 

One of the criticisms lobbied at the league is that the strength of the Valley is a product of the new RPI, but that's simply not true. All six top 50 RPI teams would be in the top 50 in the old system as well, and not far off of where they currently sit. Bradley would be seven spots lower, Missouri St and Creighton six each, UNI two spots lower and SIU would be one spot lower. Wichita St would actually be better off in the old RPI than they are in the new one. Those are not significant differences.

 

Another criticism is that most of the good wins those six teams have accumulated have come against each other, but the big boys play that way too. If you look at teams likely to be seeded in the 7-12 range, you won't see very many non-conference top 50 RPI wins. There are only twenty such wins among the 24 teams seeded in that range in my current bracket. Five teams have more than one non-conference top 50 win and ten don't have any. Those 24 teams are split evenly, with 12 from major conferences and 12 from non-majors. The twenty wins are pretty evenly split as well, with eleven for the major conference teams and nine for the non-majors. Where it separates is when you look at game location. Six of the major conference teams' wins came on home floors and the other five were at neutral sites. Not one road win in the bunch. However, five of the nine wins by the non-majors were road games. MVC teams have five of the twenty wins and only two of the losses.

 

So, its a combination of events that has the Valley positioned where it is this year. Decent strength at the top of its league, combined with pronounced weakness among its peers and in the middle of a few of the major conferences, has the Valley poised to put a record number of teams in the field. Certainly any that make it will have earned it, but it's one of those things Valley fans should enjoy while they can, because you never know if this set of circumstances will arise again.

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