Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 10:58 PM) Rowand you can be excited now, any chance of Duke losing a #1 seed went out the window with Memphis losing tonight, yipee. That's a shame, too. Even with the loss tonight, Memphis should still get a #1 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 04:52 AM) HUGE win for them. That might just get them in. How bout that Squeaky Johnson? Totally took over the game. He made about 3 or 4 amazing defensive plays in the last 5 or 6 minutes. Squeaky can flat out play. He does so many things. I wish IU had half the PG he is. Calipari was quoted earlier this year saying something to the effect of "It's not often that the best player on the floor for a team averages 3 points a game". That was a bit of an exaggeration, but it illustrates the point of how good he is. That was a great game tonight. UAB is a team no one wants to play in the tournament. Their style is a b**** to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Jimbo, I see you lurking... Are you allowed back yet? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 11:25 PM) Squeaky can flat out play. He does so many things. I wish IU had half the PG he is. Calipari was quoted earlier this year saying something to the effect of "It's not often that the best player on the floor for a team averages 3 points a game". That was a bit of an exaggeration, but it illustrates the point of how good he is. That was a great game tonight. UAB is a team no one wants to play in the tournament. Their style is a b**** to play against. Couldn't have said it any better, Rex. I love watching him play. I totally agree on how nobody wants to play the Blazers. They've got some really good athletes who can harass the s*** outta you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 UCLA/California going into overtime. What is with these bubble teams the last few days? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 11:26 PM) Jimbo, I see you lurking... Are you allowed back yet? LOL THe urge is killing me, especially after yesterday..I have until Saturday..sweet sweet saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Ohio St moves into 4th in the RPI. (ahead of Memphis) IMO if they win out they sneak in for a #1 seed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 10:08 AM) Ohio St moves into 4th in the RPI. (ahead of Memphis) IMO if they win out they sneak in for a #1 seed. Ouch, that seems out of place to me. I didn't think that their schedule/wins were that impressive, but I guess that's what the #1 conference does for you. Some of the numbers in the RPI don't make a lot of sense to me, which is why I typically don't pay too much attention to them. 3 of them are obviously locks, but I think it'll depend on who does what in the conference tourneys for the last spot. There doesn't seem to be a gimme pick for the 4th one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) Ouch, that seems out of place to me. I didn't think that their schedule/wins were that impressive, but I guess that's what the #1 conference does for you. Some of the numbers in the RPI don't make a lot of sense to me, which is why I typically don't pay too much attention to them. 3 of them are obviously locks, but I think it'll depend on who does what in the conference tourneys for the last spot. There doesn't seem to be a gimme pick for the 4th one. you are correct, osu did not have a great non-con schedule. it was pathetic actually. their only real quality non-con win was a home w over lsu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(thedoctor @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 11:26 AM) you are correct, osu did not have a great non-con schedule. it was pathetic actually. their only real quality non-con win was a home w over lsu. I don't know, I just look at some of the RPI numbers, and I don't really see why OSU is that high, or why UNC is about 20 spots higher than NC State, or why Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan are currently in the top 25 in the RPI. Any time you're assigning mathematic formulas to try to determine how good a sports team is, you're going to get some weird results. I prefer not to pay attention to those things, but since it seems to influence the tournament seeding I guess I have to. Edited March 3, 2006 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Jimbo, I think we'll need a Big 12 Tourney thread in here. I honestly see a Texas- KU championship. On a side note, Iowa State has won one game on Saturdays this year. They've lost 10, to such powerhouses as Fresno State, EA Sports and Baylor. I really want them to f*** up Colorado on "everyone's a senior" night, but it's not going to happen unless Hubalek proves that he can be consistent. With you guys talking about OSU, they scheduled what was "supposed" to be a "quality" road game and won against Iowa St. They just didn't count on ISU blowing more than that cheap hooker Gage had over last Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 or why UNC is about 20 spots higher than NC State UNC has faced 7 teams out of conference with 16 or more wins on the year, compared to 4 for NC State. NC State's first 5 wins came against teams that are a combined 53-89 on the year, 37% win percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 11:35 AM) Jimbo, I think we'll need a Big 12 Tourney thread in here. I honestly see a Texas- KU championship. On a side note, Iowa State has won one game on Saturdays this year. They've lost 10, to such powerhouses as Fresno State, EA Sports and Baylor. I really want them to f*** up Colorado on "everyone's a senior" night, but it's not going to happen unless Hubalek proves that he can be consistent. With you guys talking about OSU, they scheduled what was "supposed" to be a "quality" road game and won against Iowa St. They just didn't count on ISU blowing more than that cheap hooker Gage had over last Friday. I am not allowed to start or discuss that before mentioned school until tomorrow..haha. Heads, make the thread though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 12:56 PM) UNC has faced 7 teams out of conference with 16 or more wins on the year, compared to 4 for NC State. NC State's first 5 wins came against teams that are a combined 53-89 on the year, 37% win percentage. I didn't say they weren't better, I just don't think they're that much better. Franky, I don't think either team's schedule is that impressive. I don't like looking just at records because 16 wins isn't necessarily equal depending on what conference you're in. Both played 3 probable tourney teams and a lot of dogs. RPI takes into account the quality of the cupcake teams they face. I don't really care about that unless you lost to them. I don't really see beating the 4th place Atlantic Sun team or the 3rd place Southern League as a real asset to a top-3 team from a power conference. I think they're very similar when you look at the two teams, so I don't see why they're that far apart. I could understand about 10 spots, but any more than that just doesn't make much sense to me. Edited March 3, 2006 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Ok, I'll break it down even further. NC State only plays Duke once this year, while UNC gets them twice. UNC's opponents all year long are 430-290 60%, while State's are 418-333 55%. Out of UNC's 26 games this year, only 5 teams have a losing record, compared to 11 teams on State's schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) Ok, I'll break it down even further. NC State only plays Duke once this year, while UNC gets them twice. UNC's opponents all year long are 430-290 60%, while State's are 418-333 55%. Out of UNC's 26 games this year, only 5 teams have a losing record, compared to 11 teams on State's schedule. All I basically get out of that is that UNC's dog teams were little bit stronger than NC State's. Outside of the extra Duke game for UNC, they played basically the same quality and quantity of real opponents, and the only real difference in record is that UNC nailed them head to head. I really don't see why one of them should be projected as a #3 seed while the other is all the way down as a #6. That's more of an issue that I have with using mathematical formulas for strength of schedule and RPI ratings than anything else. I don't see UNC's schedule as that much harder, and I really don't see the massive difference between playing Gardner Webb and playing the Citadel. Either way, a team with any real hope of making noise in the tourney shoudn't have any kind of trouble beating those teams. I don't think that playing moderately more dangerous teams that really aren't a threat should result in a 40-place difference in strength of schedule, and a corresponding 3-seed difference in the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 From the data, UNC plays alot of average to good teams, while State plays a few great teams like Duke and GW, and then alot of bad teams, 11 of them. I really don't see why one of them should be projected as a #3 seed while the other is all the way down as a #6. Agree 100% there. If UNC is a 3 seed, then NC State is arguably a 4 seed, 5 at the very worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 (edited) QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 04:17 PM) From the data, UNC plays alot of average to good teams, while State plays a few great teams like Duke and GW, and then alot of bad teams, 11 of them. That doesn't really seem to be the case if you look at some of the other numbers. UNC is 1-2 against the RPI top 25, 3-1 against 26-50, and 7-2 against 51-100. NC State is 0-4 against the top 25, 3-1 against 26-50, and 7-1 against 51-100. Both have a loss against a sub-100 rated team. So after UNC plays Duke, that means they'll have only one more game against a team ranked 51-100 than NC State does. The major difference is that NC State is getting dragged down by the D II team they played (D I winning percentage is 56.2) and a couple of other dogs. Edited March 3, 2006 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 01:03 PM) Ok, I'll break it down even further. NC State only plays Duke once this year, while UNC gets them twice. UNC's opponents all year long are 430-290 60%, while State's are 418-333 55%. Out of UNC's 26 games this year, only 5 teams have a losing record, compared to 11 teams on State's schedule. Lets not forget that one of State's losses came to Iowa. Just had to throw Iowa in amongst all this ACC talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) Lets not forget that one of State's losses came to Iowa. Just had to throw Iowa in amongst all this ACC talk That must have been an ugly game to watch too. The final was 45-42. :headshake NC State shot 34%, Iowa shot 29.8%. They also combined for 41 turnovers. :puke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 02:07 PM) That must have been an ugly game to watch too. The final was 45-42. :headshake NC State shot 34%, Iowa shot 29.8%. They also combined for 41 turnovers. :puke It was defense. Both teams were playing very very tremendous defense. It was actually a really exciting game to watch. I remember tons of shot blocks and a lot of full court pressing. You also need to remember that both State and Iowa rank among the best in the country defensively. I loved it too cause Iowa was able to beat one of the better teams in the ACC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 3, 2006 -> 05:17 PM) It was defense. Both teams were playing very very tremendous defense. It was actually a really exciting game to watch. I remember tons of shot blocks and a lot of full court pressing. You also need to remember that both State and Iowa rank among the best in the country defensively. I loved it too cause Iowa was able to beat one of the better teams in the ACC. Well, I was at the NU-Iowa game, and that one truly was brutal to watch. There was a lot of sloppy play on offense. The defense was good, but I didn't think it was stellar. I thought NU played much better D against Wisconsin and OSU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 2, 2006 -> 11:10 PM) 108-69 final, wow. Syracuse is toast in their finale vs. Villanova, but if they win their Big East Tourney opener, I think they get in. They still are Syracuse and that would get them to 20 wins. Good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 UIC was eliminated today, while Loyola advanced to the semi's to take on UWM at UWM, same situation as last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 *warning, NOT Big Ten related :-). Great post/article from a Kentucky fan, of all places. http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid...88&sid=&style=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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