maggsmaggs Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) Billy Wagner- CHW, WAS, BOS, STL and a couple others have/had interest...CHW had offered Damaso Marte, Brandon McCarthy and Joe Crede to PHI for Wagner...BOS had offered Bronson Arroyo, Kevin Youkilis and Kelly Shoppach for Wagner... Wagner believes he will be traded this weekend....CHW have made their final offers for Wagner, A.J. Burnett and Aubrey Huff and they had any one of the three been accepted, they would have taken the first deal because all CHW offers involve the same players...Wagner thinks he and the Phillies will work out an extension...the Phillies reportedly offered Wagner a 2-year, 14M deal with a club option for 2008 worth 8.5M, and Wagner has upped his counteroffer to 3-years, 27M and a no-trade clause Just think if we did this deal, we might not be in the playoffs with all the great things Crede and McCarthy did for us. Source: http://mlb4u.com/rumors.html Edited October 16, 2005 by maggsmaggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I was never sold on a deal just for Wagner. And looking at that offer, thank god it never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I don't trust the validity of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Looks like no one saw the potential of the Rally Crede but the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 That would be a moronic trade and wouldnt make sense for us. Who would play 3rd, Ozuna? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Kenny is trully blessed. God spoke to Disney in a dream to say no to Garland. He wasn't going to let Kenny ruin a good thing after he saw the team get off to a great start. Likewise he knew KGJ would get hurt in Sept so he spoke to the Cincy owner to say no as well. God trully does work in mysterious ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Hell we would've made the playoffs because we would of had no Marte to blow games for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 10:51 AM) I don't trust the validity of that. I concur. Even for Trader Kenny, this deal makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) I think whoever wrote this article basically looked at the rumors that were floating around cause this was one of 'em. I think most of us at the time shook it off as probably not being true. EDIT: Nevermind, that isn't a new article, that was just the rumor floating around at the time. Edited October 16, 2005 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) Hell we would've made the playoffs because we would of had no Marte to blow games for us. Um, no we wouldn't have, because we'd have a bench player starting at 3rd and El Duque or someone else as the fifth starter for the rest of the year depending on who we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(3E8 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) I don't trust the validity of that. ^^^^ And I also doubt that Boston offered Arroyo, a cheap, league average starter, Youkilis, who will probably be their 3B next year, and Shoppach, who's still somewhat of a decent prospect, for a reliever. Edited October 16, 2005 by CWSGuy406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 06:33 PM) ^^^^ And I also doubt that Boston offered Arroyo, a cheap, league average starter, Youkilis, who will probably be their 3B next year, and Shoppach, who's still somewhat of a decent prospect, for a reliever. Idonno thats not 2 hard to believe that Boston offered that... Arroyo is just that average and Shoppach is nothing special and Youkilis will already be like 27 next season.... only reason he is a known player is thanks to money ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 It might have been part of a group of deals and I still think we would have made the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 01:32 PM) Um, no we wouldn't have, because we'd have a bench player starting at 3rd and El Duque or someone else as the fifth starter for the rest of the year depending on who we got. I wasn't serious. Thank god Philly didn't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 06:41 PM) Idonno thats not 2 hard to believe that Boston offered that... Arroyo is just that average and Shoppach is nothing special and Youkilis will already be like 27 next season.... only reason he is a known player is thanks to money ball. Uhh, being average isn't bad, especially when you're making the league minimum. Shoppach is still a decent prospect -- .847 OPS last year at Pawtucket. And Youkilis will probably start for Boston next year. He had a .451 OBP for Pawtucket last year, and has had an OBP above .400 for most of his minor league career. Point being, it's hard to see them give up all this for a guy who probably would have pitched 20 or less innings for Boston down the stretch. But, thanks for your "insight". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 12:49 PM) Uhh, being average isn't bad, especially when you're making the league minimum. Shoppach is still a decent prospect -- .847 OPS last year at Pawtucket. And Youkilis will probably start for Boston next year. He had a .451 OBP for Pawtucket last year, and has had an OBP above .400 for most of his minor league career. Point being, it's hard to see them give up all this for a guy who probably would have pitched 20 or less innings for Boston down the stretch. But, thanks for your "insight". You definitely make a good point but remember the Red Sox had one of the worst bullpens in baseball and from what I heard Wagner is one guy they were willing to give up the world for. Meh, pointless argument anyways because we'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 06:53 PM) You definitely make a good point but remember the Red Sox had one of the worst bullpens in baseball and from what I heard Wagner is one guy they were willing to give up the world for. Meh, pointless argument anyways because we'll never know. Exactly their weakness was no closer and crappy bullpen...... Bring in Wagner and that rookie kid they had.... all of a sudden its a 6 inning game with Timlin there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 If that were indeed the offer, anyone want to explain why Philly wouldn't have taken it? I call bulls*** on the writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 16, 2005 Author Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 04:43 PM) If that were indeed the offer, anyone want to explain why Philly wouldn't have taken it? I call bulls*** on the writer. Crede is just average, Marte sucks and they have some good young pitches already: Gavin Floyd, Brett Meyers, Robinson Tejada and Vicente Padilla. They really don't need McCarthy and they wanted to resign Wagner anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 05:49 PM) Crede is just average, Marte sucks and they have some good young pitches already: Gavin Floyd, Brett Meyers, Robinson Tejada and Vicente Padilla. They really don't need McCarthy and they wanted to resign Wagner anyways. You can never have too much pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierSox Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 04:43 PM) If that were indeed the offer, anyone want to explain why Philly wouldn't have taken it? I call bulls*** on the writer. Exactly. Philly would be idiotic if they turned down that trade. I dont believe it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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