JUGGERNAUT Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) Don't blame me for reading the Times today. I am collecting the papers both here & in Bos, Ana, & Hou/Stl for my World Series keepsakes this year. So I did read Kotex Boy today. As I expected he slides a compliment in with a lot of crap in his first paragraph. From there you pretty much know what to expect so I won't bother with the rest. But then he does what I have yet to see any reporter do: start the bid price for Kong. He starts it at $70M/5yr. Basically what he stated repeatedly last year as the price the White Sox owed Magglio. If Maggs stays healthy the Tiger deal could be $105M. Of course any team fielding a payroll north of $60M is likely to want to be at that auction so I don't think it's unreasonable. But I do think it's classless for him to be the one to start the bidding. We don't need a popular Chicago columnist being our #1 nemesis in the sports writing world. We have plenty of qualified candidates at ESPN for that job (notice the lack of the White Sox being the lead MLB story on their site .. the only site to NOT have them as the lead). Well now that Kotex Boy has thrown it out there I doubt very much if it's going to be the ceiling. Which brings us to the bigger question. Which would be of more value to the 2006 White Sox: a cut-rate price for Manny or an over-priced Kong? The price to get Manny is going to be no less than a starter. If I had to guess it will be Garland because his price vs performance is at an all-time high. So Manny at $13M a year (with the cash BOS throws in) for the price of Garland & minor leaguers doesn't look all that bad. I don't think any other team will be able to offer a package that match's Garland as the centerpiece. But where would he play? DH, RF, or 1B. I mention 1B because Manny has proven adept in Bos at playing hard hit grounders & balls hit off the wall. He has shown better IF instincts than OF ones & his arm is certainly adequate for 1B. If not at 1B then you could slot him in at RF. Again with Pods speed, Rowand can cheat to his right to reduce the coverage area for Manny. Dye then would take over 1B. DH is obvious but when you consider the potential of Thomas-Manny-Dye as a 3-4-5 well it should give you goose bumps. There's a potential of over 100HR's a year in that middle. Of course with the $13M a year Boston would save in the deal they could then turn around & sign Kong. So it works out for both teams. Kotex Boy is selling Kong at Thome-like prices. I hope he's wrong. I hope Kong will stay for no more than $60M/5. But I fear he's correct. I fear that Kong is boosting his price by $1M a year with every HR he hits in Oct. I fear that his next contract will be in the neighborhood of $90M/6. Even with a WS win we can't afford that. I will greatly miss Kong's defense at 1B. I think he's well-deserving of a GG this year. I'll continue to pray that Kong's love for the White Sox is greater than Giles love was for the Pirates or Griffey's love is for the Reds. It's not out of the question he might choose to remain with us than to seek greater riches elsewhere. One thing we have in our favor: if he's not the #1 sports personality in Chicago now he soon will be. He can talk to MJ directly to see what that's worth a year Edited October 16, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoArow33 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 If Manny came here the defense would probably have Dye at 1B, Manny in LF, and Pods or Arow in RF. I keep hoping the Hurt will get better by next season and he'll be a solid producer at DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Manny Ramirez is such a terrible fielder! no way. Blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I highly doubt the Sox would start Manny in the outfield if they got him.. he's a DH, no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) I highly doubt the Sox would start Manny in the outfield if they got him.. he's a DH, no more. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's official. The most underrated defensive player in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I'm hoping you are joking. He doesnt even try to chase after some balls, and just lobs to ball into the infield on others. The reason he has so many assists is because he plays in Fenway, and everyone trys to run on him since he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 why not pods arow anderson in outfield manny as dh let evertt go (tho wud manny accept this?) dye @ first, if kong goes (he'd have to for manny) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 16, 2005 Author Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) If Manny came here the defense would probably have Dye at 1B, Manny in LF, and Pods or Arow in RF. I keep hoping the Hurt will get better by next season and he'll be a solid producer at DH. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think that would depend on whether Manny can make the at-the-wall catch. That's a much bigger deal playing LF & CF than RF @ the Cell. Still don't count Kong out. Where he plays next year is not just about himself, his agent, & the White Sox. There will be plenty of Chicago corps that want his mug selling their products & service. I think his agent is definitely going to be taking that into consideration & is probably in talks with some of them now. Edited October 16, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(GoArow33 @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 01:31 PM) If Manny came here the defense would probably have Dye at 1B, Manny in LF, and Pods or Arow in RF. I keep hoping the Hurt will get better by next season and he'll be a solid producer at DH. Here's my question? Why do we need someone who does a disappearing act in the playoffs like Manny when we can sign Kong who is tearing s*** up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 01:36 PM) I'm hoping you are joking. He doesnt even try to chase after some balls, and just lobs to ball into the infield on others. The reason he has so many assists is because he plays in Fenway, and everyone trys to run on him since he sucks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, I wasn't joking. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 16, 2005 Author Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) I'm hoping you are joking. He doesnt even try to chase after some balls, and just lobs to ball into the infield on others. The reason he has so many assists is because he plays in Fenway, and everyone trys to run on him since he sucks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I strongly disagree & you can look at his assist numbers dating back to his CLE days as well as on the road. Manny has a strong enough arm (when he wants to use it) to throw runners out at home plate. I've seen him do it. I don't know if he can catch it near the wall on a regular basis @ the cell but I've seen him do that as well when he plays on the road. When I think of Manny I ask myself could Carlos play the bank shots off the wall that good? I don't think so. That's why I think overall Manny is a better athlete. I think Boston did try him at DH for a long duration once or twice & he had a similar slump to what Kong experiences in that role. That's one of the reasons why Bos went after Ortiz. Edited October 16, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Manny? Nahhhhh... He might go to the Blue Jays is what I hear. The WHITE SOX are a better team because they don't have any Manny headcases, and they don't spend a lot on a single player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 16, 2005 Author Share Posted October 16, 2005 (edited) Here's my question? Why do we need someone who does a disappearing act in the playoffs like Manny when we can sign Kong who is tearing s*** up? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I can't believe you said that. Last year's ALCS MVP & WS MVP not to mention this year's potential AL MVP does not do a dissapearing act in the post. He's no A-Rod. 2005 post: 300A/417OBP/900SLG/1317OPS 2004 post: ALCS MVP, WS MVP Edited October 16, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) I strongly disagree & you can look at his assist numbers dating back to his CLE days as well as on the road. Manny has a strong enough arm (when he wants to use it) to throw runners out at home plate. I've seen him do it. I don't know if he can catch it near the wall on a regular basis @ the cell but I've seen him do that as well when he plays on the road. He gets loads of chances to throw people out because they run on his arm. He sucks at defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 16, 2005 Author Share Posted October 16, 2005 That's harsh. But he is at the bottom. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fieldi...lumn=zoneRating http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fieldi...lumn=zoneRating http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fieldi...lumn=zoneRating SPods #4, ARow #2, JDye #5 If not the best in the league certainly amongst the best for a trio of OFers. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/spli...2&type=batting3 The ALC would be shaking in it's boots. Look his RISP & RON numbers. Wow! Barry-esque! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Zone Rating is a little skewed. Alex Rodriguez is the worst third baseman in baseball according to it, and will most likely win a Gold Glove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 per rotoworld Paul Konerko - 1B - White Sox General Manager Ken Williams said Saturday that resigning Paul Konerko this offseason is the White Sox No. 1 priority. Konerko hit 40 homers with 100 RBI this season and remains one of the top free agents available. "For whatever reason, if it doesn't happen and he's playing in New York or Anaheim or whatever, he's still going to be a White Sox, part of the family," Williams said. "I told Paul that I could see him one day sitting in Ozzie's (Guillen) chair or my chair. I think that much of him." Oct. 16 - 8:55 am et Source: Arizona Republic i think we'll see paulie back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted October 16, 2005 Author Share Posted October 16, 2005 We can't rule out the Yank$ either. Despite the likelihood he'll win the AL MVP this year there are already grumblings in NYC that ARod could be headed out. His failure to emerge as Mr Oct 2 yrs in a row doesn't sit well with the fans there. The could trade ARod + $50M to to free up cash for Kong. As if freeing up cash has ever been a necc for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Manny won't be traded within the division and to be honest I don't think he'll be traded at all. As for his defense, he is the most underrated defensive player in the game as I stated earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 08:33 PM) Manny won't be traded within the division and to be honest I don't think he'll be traded at all. As for his defense, he is the most underrated defensive player in the game as I stated earlier. I respectfully say that you're nuts to think he's the most underrated defensive player. He plays the easiest outfield position in baseball in LF at Boston, as he can play about 220 feet away from home plate. He is terrible on fly balls to either side of him, and struggles going back on fly balls. To say he's underrated is just ridiculous. He's a bad defensive player, no other way to state it. I would take Carl Everett over him in the outfield, and trust me when I say I'm not a fan of Everett in the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) I would take Carl Everett over him in the outfield <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I wish you would have made this statement clear in the first sentence because then I wouldnt have had to waste the 2 seconds reading your post in whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) I wish you would have made this statement clear in the first sentence because then I wouldnt have had to waste the 2 seconds reading your post in whole. Everett>>>>>>>>>>>Manny in the outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 With all due respect, to the both of you, that is just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 redandwhite Manny is horrible. Give me one REAL reason why he's underrated. His assists? He's in Boston and people try running on him all the time. He gives up on fly balls, he gives up on bloopers, he gives up on throws. How is that underrated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 16, 2005 -> 08:42 PM) With all due respect, to the both of you, that is just ridiculous. No, it's actually not. Unlike you, I don't have any bias when it comes to Red Sox players. And don't even try to accuse me of having a bias towards Everett, as I was completely on the keep Everett off the field bandwagon this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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