i think its about time we lay off jerry manuel

[Chisoxfn]

I'm with you in regards to Manuel (ISDEER). If he hasn't been calling the shots then he's a ball-less manager and there is no point having a guy around that can't even stick up for himself. If he can't stick up for himself, how is he going to stick up for his own players, etc. Maybe thats why he never goes out of the dugout.

 

I still stick to my theory, KW seems arrogant as hell, but I think he's a good GM. This team has all the talent and I don't blame KW for the guys not coming through. He isn't the hitting coach, he isn't the manager, he isn't on the field every game. He puts the pieces there and lets the managers and players do the rest and if they need more pieces, its his job to evaluate who to get and if its worth it, etc.

 

He had a hell of an offseason and I think we'll eventually all figure that out. So he's traded Kip and Fogg away (I still say Kip is the only one that is going to be good out of that trade; one that I never liked from day one while 70% of the fans loved the Ritchie deal). He has acquired one of the best young 2nd baseman in the majors (Like it or not, so far Jimenez is producing that way) a hell of a catcher, Bartolo Colon and then made nice pickups like Loaiza (I'm sure he never saw this happening though), Flash, White (Looked good at the time), etc. I know I'm leaving plenty out.

 

I don't even consider the Clayton deal bad because he got what we needed, in my mind. In his mind he got Clayton and was going to package him elsewhere (This has been reported many times) but ended up getting stuck with him because he had no value. My guess is he was looking to deal Clayton and a prospect for another shortstop and the other team backed out or something along those lines.

 

So to me, the Ritchie fiasco and the Boomer fiasco can be the two looked at horribly. Boomer blew his back, I don' blame injuries on a gm. Just like I won't blame the Jays gm for getting damaged goods in Sirotka. The trade was a wash either way. Sox hoped it would give them post season experience and it didn't, cause he got hurt. Had he stayed healthy and had most of the Sox stayed healthy that year, who knows what would of happened. In regards to the Ritchie deal, it stunk from day one in my mind, but when Ritchie made his debut with the Sox and for that first month he looked pretty freaking good and I was about to eat my words. Then somethinig happened. Either way, Olivo, Jimenez, Marte, Yan, etc makes up for it in my mind. Can I also say Emencio Pacheco for Sandy Alomar. Pacheco has a studly arm and we got Alomar back in the offseason. How bout Diaz for Lofton (ALthough Diaz has struggled, he's got a world class arm).

 

Maybe I'm just too far away from things to get the full perspective, but to me KW has done a hell of a lot more good then bad. I know their is the whole talk about him interferring, but I really say if thats the case then Manuel is ball-less and I still can't see something like this happening (Your still awesome though Michelle )

 

Right now its the players underachieving. I think you can make a case in point for Manuel underachieving and I won't cry if either of the guys the top go, but to point the blame on all the superstars not hitting would be unfair to the both of them. Now since Gary Ward's sole job is to be the hitting coach, the blame will be pointed plenty at him and he should be gone.

[Rex Kickass]

You know, I was beginning to agree with the"Give JM the s***can" group for awhile, but that's starting to pass. I don't think that JM or KW are really the problems with the organization... I think the problems lie with the ownership. Period. There has not been a culture of winning installed within the franchise. As much as they might say otherwise, the White Sox don't care about winning and they don't care about the fans. The fact that our teams and managers are motivated enough to do as well as .500 is a pleasant surprise in my book. KW hasn't made all the right moves, but he has made quite a few solid ones. JM may not show fire all the time, but he does at the right times... (and by the way how many other managers have been ejected more than once this season so far?) The players have been underperforming, but if the last handful of games are any indication they may be starting to dig themselves out of the hole. We haven't scored a lot of runs, but we are starting to hit better (.311 in the last two games), and our pitching is showing some serious potential - with a good effort from Loaiza and Wright this week. We can do some serious damage and we're still less than 5 games out.

 

Hey, maybe the kids can play.

[idseer]

You know, I was beginning to agree with the"Give JM the s***can" group for awhile, but that's starting to pass. I don't think that JM or KW are really the problems with the organization... I think the problems lie with the ownership. Period. There has not been a culture of winning installed within the franchise. As much as they might say otherwise, the White Sox don't care about winning and they don't care about the fans. The fact that our teams and managers are motivated enough to do as well as .500 is a pleasant surprise in my book. KW hasn't made all the right moves, but he has made quite a few solid ones. JM may not show fire all the time, but he does at the right times... (and by the way how many other managers have been ejected more than once this season so far?) The players have been underperforming, but if the last handful of games are any indication they may be starting to dig themselves out of the hole. We haven't scored a lot of runs, but we are starting to hit better (.311 in the last two games), and our pitching is showing some serious potential - with a good effort from Loaiza and Wright this week. We can do some serious damage and we're still less than 5 games out.

 

Hey, maybe the kids can play.

i certainly agree that the problem starts at the top. it's not jm's nor kw's fault they were hired! jr wanted to save a penny so he hired inexperience on the cheap. this is definitely the root cause of the shape of this organization.

[YASNY]

once again.... please.... what the hell would you do..... different than jerry.... to improve this team? i want your opinion.

First of all, I'd have Rios or Daubach in the lineup every time we faced a right hander, alternately resting Lee, Harris, Magglio, Frank and PK. He's already moved Garland down to the #5 starter, so he beat me to the punch on that one. I'd also attempt to stretch our starters out farther than JM does. Shoot for 110-115 pitchers rather than 100. Let them build some endurance and start each game expecting to go 9. I'd fine Willie Harris every time he hit anything that resembled a fly ball.

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

First it's the players fault.. now it's the owners fault.. 

well it sure in the hell aint our faults... we do our part.......lol.......