sox-r-us Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) For me, I think the Sox need to re-sign Paulie at 4 years/ $48 million. If Paulie is the classy guy we think he is, he will take this money. Even though, some team will no doubt go above and beyon us, this is more than fair and quite frankly greedy if he doesn't take it. Then, I would try to sign Brian Giles for DH or to trade Rowand or Pods. Then possible sign Eurbiel Durazo as a bench/DH type and finally just get another lefty via trade or Free agency. Financially, my plan works: Add: Konerko ($ 3 million more per year,) Giles ($ 8 million more per year,) Durazo ($ 4 million more per year) and the lefty ($2 million more per year) Subtract: Carl Everett ($ 4 millin per year) and Frank Thomas ( $ 5 million per year, taking into account buyout.) Total: a payroll of $ 8 million more. So then you add player raises and such this comes to around $ 15 million more per year, and a payroll of $ 90 million, something I think is feasible and should be done. Would you happen to know how Maggs is feeling right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 01:32 PM) Would you happen to know how Maggs is feeling right now? I hope his money keeps his ring finger warm at night. Because Paulie's is gonna be feelin pretty damn good. Ozzie's too. Maybe a bit weighed down. By the way...KW, sign Konerko immediately. I don't care if it's judged to be a bad contract a few years from now. Do what it takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 08:40 PM) I hope his money keeps his ring finger warm at night. Because Paulie's is gonna be feelin pretty damn good. Ozzie's too. Maybe a bit weighed down. By the way...KW, sign Konerko immediately. I don't care if it's judged to be a bad contract a few years from now. Do what it takes. I agree...even if we bend towards the side of over-spending, re-sign Paulie....he has become the face of this franchise and we need that to keep getting butts in the stands. And if Frank comes back healthy, this lineup will be even better than last year. Imagine Frank for a full year driving in Scott and Guch.... Starting Lineup: Pods Guch Frank Paulie Dye Rowand AJP Crede Uribe Starting Pitchers: Count Buerhle Garland Garcia BMac Bullpen: El Duque (middle relief, long relief if a starter falters or rain delays) Politte (set up) Hermanson (set up) Jenks (closer) Marte (set up) Cotts (set up) Vizcaino (relief when we are losing by big lead or up by big lead) Bench: Anderson (Platoon OF to spell Pods, Dye and Rowand and play ~70+ games) Widger (back up C) Geoff Blum (Utility infielder) Ross Gload (1B/extra DH) Pablo Ozuna (Utility infielder) Everett???? Willi Harris???? Timo Perez??? Edited October 28, 2005 by sox-r-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) I agree...even if we bend towards the side of over-spending, re-sign Paulie....he has become the face of this franchise and we need that to keep getting butts in the stands. And if Frank comes back healthy, this lineup will be even better than last year. Imagine Frank for a full year driving in Scott and Guch.... Starting Lineup: Pods Guch Frank Paulie Dye Rowand AJP Crede Uribe Starting Pitchers: Count Buerhle Garland Garcia BMac Bullpen: El Duque (middle relief, long relief if a starter falters or rain delays) Politte (set up) Hermanson (set up) Jenks (closer) Marte (set up) Cotts (set up) Vizcaino (relief when we are losing by big lead or up by big lead) Bench: Anderson (Platoon OF to spell Pods, Dye and Rowand and play ~70+ games) Widger (back up C) Geoff Blum (Utility infielder) Ross Gload (1B/extra DH) Pablo Ozuna (Utility infielder) Everett???? Willi Harris???? Timo Perez??? Thats basically exactly what I want to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Crede MUST BE BACK!!! The evolution of Joe Crede this year was amazing....and like Hawk said...AJ had ALOT to do with with....The 3 Stooges!!! GOD I can't wait for ST already!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I cant help wanting to maybe pursue Jerry hairston if he is released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Adam Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 the obvious key to being this damn good next year is resigning paul, no questions asked. Do that and everything else is gravy in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted October 28, 2005 Author Share Posted October 28, 2005 From the Chicago Suntimes: C A.J. Pierzynski Arbitration eligible Should get two-year deal and bump from $2.25M salary 1B Paul Konerko Free agent Strong postseason showing might push him out of Sox' range 2B Tadahito Iguchi Signed ($2.4 million) Offense vanished in postseason, but defense valued SS Juan Uribe Signed ($3.15 million) Emerged as a force both offensively and defensively 3B Joe Crede Arbitration eligible Could get two-year package or nice raise from $400,000 LF Scott Podsednik Signed ($1.9 million) Leadoff hitters are hot commodities; he's one of the best CF Aaron Rowand Signed ($3.25 million) Emerging leader is the symbol for grinder baseball RF Jermaine Dye Signed ($5 million) World Series MVP could move to 1B if Konerko leaves DH Carl Everett Free agent Sox are expected to buy out his option for $500,000 DH Frank Thomas Free agent Sox to buy out option for $3.5 million but might ink new deal SP Mark Buehrle Signed ($7.75 million) Left-hander should reclaim title as ace of rotation SP Jose Contreras Signed ($8 million) Comfortable in Chicago, he will be a force in rotation SP Freddy Garcia Signed ($9 million) His extension in '05 began move to lock up rotation SP Jon Garland Arbitration eligible Look for right-hander to land multiyear deal before camp SP Orlando Hernandez Signed ($4.5 million) Will battle Brandon McCarthy for final spot RP Dustin Hermanson Signed ($3 million) Offseason should provide needed rest for sore back RP Neal Cotts Under team control Left-hander will spend at least another year in bullpen RP Cliff Politte Club option ($1.2 million) Team likely to exercise option on key setup man Closer Bobby Jenks Under team control Postseason seasoning gave reliever key confidence boost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(SnB @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) the obvious key to being this damn good next year is resigning paul, no questions asked. Do that and everything else is gravy in my book. wow, that sig is man love overload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Keep the Fantastic 4.(or Group 4 if you prefer). I honestly think you have to keep this whole team. There's no way you could significantly increase this team unless someone offers you Manny for your worst prospect. Anyway, Wilbon just gave the White Sox 33.333% of repeating next year. He said because we're so deep at pitching and we're keeping it for next year. Anyway, I think if we also somehow keep Frank and PK, that will be our big offseason acquisition. We'll have consistant power added to our lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) CF Aaron Rowand Signed ($3.25 million) Emerging leader is the symbol for grinder baseball Thats the reason I dont want him moving. He's a true leader for this team :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If the Sox can't reach a deal with Konerko -- that's okay. I realize that Paully had one helluva a postseason, but if the money starts going to five years, $65 million -- that's a lot of money to give to a guy who has had a bad hip problem and will be on the wrong side of 30 very soon. But -- they need to bring someone else in, obviously. I'd overpay for Brian Giles, and really wouldn't hesitate giving him 3 years/$30 million. There's also Jim Thome -- I've read that Philly is going to have to eat a big portion of that contract, and he's a great bat. There's Adam Dunn, too, but I don't think Ozzie would be able to stand all the K's. Tough off-season for Williams. I said that last year, too -- this year might be even harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Worst case scenario this off season is losing PK. But if that happened why not sign Jaques Jones and move JD to 1B? Adding a good lefty bat would be nice, he's as good if not better in RF as JD, he adds speed on the base paths and he's a good guy in the clubhouse. If the Sox are going to add I say they should add to their strength, pitching and defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Haha...get rid of Willie...that's just strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 06:33 PM) Worst case scenario this off season is losing PK. But if that happened why not sign Jaques Jones and move JD to 1B? Adding a good lefty bat would be nice, he's as good if not better in RF as JD, he adds speed on the base paths and he's a good guy in the clubhouse. If the Sox are going to add I say they should add to their strength, pitching and defense. If JD moves to 1B I'd rather see Brian Anderson starting in the OF next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 04:36 PM) If JD moves to 1B I'd rather see Brian Anderson starting in the OF next year. I'd rather see him in center. Anderson should be given a shot to earn a starting spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 11:33 PM) Worst case scenario this off season is losing PK. But if that happened why not sign Jaques Jones and move JD to 1B? Adding a good lefty bat would be nice, he's as good if not better in RF as JD, he adds speed on the base paths and he's a good guy in the clubhouse. If the Sox are going to add I say they should add to their strength, pitching and defense. Tell me -- what about Jacque Jones' .249/.319/.438 line, or his 99 OPS+, screams "Sign me!"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) Tell me -- what about Jacque Jones' .249/.319/.438 line, or his 99 OPS+, screams "Sign me!"? Haven't the Cubs been crowing about him a little bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 06:59 PM) Haven't the Cubs been crowing about him a little bit? There's a damn good chance Jaque will be patrolling RF next year where Sammy and Burnitz have for the past 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 Brian Anderson isn't going to be the 4th outfielder, I'm just going to say that for now. I'll post what some ideas within the next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 10:23 AM) Brian Anderson isn't going to be the 4th outfielder, I'm just going to say that for now. I'll post what some ideas within the next few days. Thank you, that's the 1st thing that jumped out at me from this thread. You're hurting the development of Brian Anderson if he's going to sit on the bench. He's done in AAA, he produced there. He should be starting for some MLB team in 2006. If that's not going to be with us (which I doubt because apparently KW loves him), then trade him while his value is quite high. Most likely I think Paulie is going to leave, Dye moves to 1B and Anderson to RF (even though I think he'll be the everyday CF starting from 2007). The big bat the Sox want is going to come at the DH spot. So I don't think Thomas is going to be back, too much of a risk. You've got trade options. Maybe the Sox could look into the possibility of a Jon Garland for Chad Tracy type deal? Arizona would probably throw in a Cintron or a prospect or 2 as well possibly. Garland would be a good sinkerball pitcher at their park (Brandon Webb people), and Tracy gives us the big bat we need, yet he can also play 1B/3B/OF if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 01:10 AM) Most likely I think Paulie is going to leave, Dye moves to 1B and Anderson to RF (even though I think he'll be the everyday CF starting from 2007). The big bat the Sox want is going to come at the DH spot. So I don't think Thomas is going to be back, too much of a risk. You've got trade options. How about a Jon Garland for Chad Tracy type deal? Arizona would probably throw in a Cintron or a prospect or 2 as well possibly. Garland would be a good sinkerball pitcher at their park (Brandon Webb people), and Tracy gives us the big bat we need, yet he can also play 1B/3B/OF if needed. No offense, but if all that stuff happened, we'd get 3rd place in the AL Central next season. Our offense would be worse, as would our pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 (edited) Hmm, I recall a few saying we should get rid of Pods because he "lacks power in a power position." Heh, feels good to be right. Edited October 29, 2005 by SoxFan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Oct 28, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) No offense, but if all that stuff happened, we'd get 3rd place in the AL Central next season. Our offense would be worse, as would our pitching. Heck yeah. No need to make drastic changes like that. I have never heard someone suggest trading an 18 game winner 2 days after they won the Series....wowza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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