Let's talk next year

[sox-r-us]

I just read what I wanted to hear:

 

"I'm not going to stop being aggressive because we won it," GM Ken Williams said. "As a matter of fact, I want it even more now than I did before."

 

 

Get ready for another fun season next year. Kenny will git-r-done.

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

[SoxFan1]

Okay, I found it.  Thanks.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/worldseries...t-deluca28.html

No prob.

[sox-r-us]

From the same article, we should find out soon about Everett and Frank. I hope they re-sign Carl at a lower salary if he fully understands he will platoon again at DH if Frank is healthy and also play some OF when needed to rest Dye etc

 

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Work ahead

 

While negotiations with Paul Konerko may stretch out for weeks, options on the contracts of Carl Everett and Frank Thomas have to be decided soon.

 

The Sox have to tell Everett by Monday (five days after the World Series) whether they will pay him $5 million or buy him out for $500,000. Even if they choose the latter course, they could re-sign him at a lower salary.

 

Thomas is a little more complicated. He has to tell the team by Monday that he will play for $12 million, which is a foregone conclusion, then the team has five days to accept that or pay him $3.5 million as a buyout, which is also a foregone conclusion.

 

After the official contract business, the Sox are expected to try to re-sign him at a much, much lower salary.

[sox-r-us]

DBAHO

 

Sorry dude, but you are absolutely crazy if you think we will trade Garland if we lose Paulie. If we lose Paulie, I rather see us put Dye at 1B and try and go after a decent RF like Burnitz or Jacque Jones who will not break the bank and give us another 20 + HR guy on the team. We add Frank at DH hopefully and Frank + Jacque/Burnitz give us the same production as Carl + Paulie gave us this past year

 

Also, again, if Paulie re-signs forget Anderson becoming a regular OF next year. The OF is set, and Anderson can play platoon resting all the OFs every now and then and getting 70+ starts + some pinch hit opportunities in inter-league games at National league parks + late in games where matchups dictate it. There is NO need for the Sox not to start the same team next year and it very well could be the case if Paulie re-signs. (Frank replacing Carl of course)

[Kalapse]

Just say no to Jaque Jones, somehow he has become terribly overrated. We don't need a .782 OPS injury prone player patrolling right field next year.

 

Burnitz is just not good. He's struck out 235 times over the past 2 seasons combined and hasn't put up 88+ RBIs away from Coors since 2000. He's old and bad, I really don't want to see him wearing silver and black.

[sox-r-us]

Just say no to Jaque Jones, somehow he has become terribly overrated. We don't need a .782 OPS injury prone player patrolling right field next year.

 

Burnitz is just not good. He's struck out 235 times over the past 2 seasons combined and hasn't put up 88+ RBIs away from Coors since 2000. He's old and bad, I really don't want to see him wearing silver and black.

 

So you prefer giving that start to Anderson, who I really doubt gets 88 RBIs? Who would you target at OF if we go with worst case of Dye at 1B assuming Paulie leaves? Given we should be favored to be contenders again next year with our pitching, all we need is solid hitting, not extraordinary hitting. With Anderson, how do you know he will produce for sure in his 1st year in the league? I am not willing to take that chance....I want someone I can depend on to produce.

 

And remember we do play at mini-Coors, so Burnitz or Jacque can definitely hit it out of our park quite a few times too.

Edited October 29, 2005 by sox-r-us

[SSH2005]

Burnitz? :puke

 

If Paulie leaves and it comes down to Dye playing first base, Brian Anderson will be out in right field. That's pretty much all there is to it. Why waste money on a bad free agent outfielder when you have a top OF prospect that plays great defense and makes next to nothing?

[knightni]

Anderson probably will not start until after Dye's contract runs out in '07.

[SSH2005]

So you prefer giving that start to Anderson, who I really doubt gets 88 RBIs? Who would you target at OF if we go with worst case of Dye at 1B assuming Paulie leaves? Given we should be favored to be contenders again next year with our pitching, all we need is solid hitting, not extraordinary hitting. With Anderson, how do you know he will produce for sure in his 1st year in the league? I am not willing to take that chance....I want someone I can depend on to produce.

 

And remember we do play at mini-Coors, so Burnitz or Jacque can definitely hit it out of our park quite a few times too.

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Burnitz had a .757 OPS this year. All he was good for was defense. Most of the time he was swinging for the fences and K'ing a lot. Brian Anderson will give you the great defense, make next to nothing, and I would be surprised if he couldn't even put up a .757 OPS.

[sox-r-us]

Burnitz?  :puke

 

If Paulie leaves and it comes down to Dye playing first base, Brian Anderson will be out in right field.  That's pretty much all there is to it.  Why waste money on a bad free agent outfielder when you have a top OF prospect that plays great defense and makes next to nothing?

 

So if Anderson fails and becomes the next Borchard at the big leagues, what do we do? Trade some prospect for a Griffey at the deadline? I prefer to build the team in offseason than waste prospects at the deadline. Since we have the pitching, and getting pitching is always the toughest at the deadline, I prefer we build our team int he offseason and then add depth or insurance if someone gets injured at deadline without paying much for it.

[knightni]

So if Anderson fails and becomes the next Borchard at the big leagues, what do we do? Trade some prospect for a Griffey at the deadline? I prefer to build the team in offseason than waste prospects at the deadline. Since we have the pitching, and getting pitching is always the toughest at the deadline, I prefer we build our team int he offseason and then add depth or insurance if someone gets injured at deadline without paying much for it.

By the time Anderson can be labeled "failure", Sweeney and Owens will be ready.

[Kalapse]

So you prefer giving that start to Anderson, who I really doubt gets 88 RBIs? Who would you target at OF if we go with worst case of Dye at 1B assuming Paulie leaves? Given we should be favored to be contenders again next year with our pitching, all we need is solid hitting, not extraordinary hitting. With Anderson, how do you know he will produce for sure in his 1st year in the league? I am not willing to take that chance....I want someone I can depend on to produce.

 

And remember we do play at mini-Coors, so Burnitz or Jacque can definitely hit it out of our park quite a few times too.

 

 

Burnitz?  :puke

 

If Paulie leaves and it comes down to Dye playing first base, Brian Anderson will be out in right field.  That's pretty much all there is to it.  Why waste money on a bad free agent outfielder when you have a top OF prospect that plays great defense and makes next to nothing?

SSH2005 Pretty much answers your question. I would vomit if I saw Burnitz in RF next year. Brian Anderson is our top position player prospect and the time has come for him to step in. If Pauly is resigned he can be the 4th OFer and Timo can take a hike (Though Timo leaving may be unlikely). If Konerko walks and Dye moves to 1B, it should be Anderson's turn to take a shot at a starting role.

 

Brian Anderson is a far superior defensive player when compared to both Jones and Burnitz. Then when you factor in the money aspect, it almost becomes a no brainer.

 

Anderson = $400,000

Burnitz = $5M+

Jones = $5M+

 

Give me BA.

[SSH2005]

So if Anderson fails and becomes the next Borchard at the big leagues, what do we do? Trade some prospect for a Griffey at the deadline? I prefer to build the team in offseason than waste prospects at the deadline. Since we have the pitching, and getting pitching is always the toughest at the deadline, I prefer we build our team int he offseason and then add depth or insurance if someone gets injured at deadline without paying much for it.

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Regardless of what happens, Jacque Jones and Jeromy Burnitz would still be terrible acquisitions. Both are swing for the fences types of guys that we don't need on this team. We already have enough guys that strikeout too much and don't walk enough. Burnitz will be 37 years old to start next season and will likely be much worse than he was this season. Jacque Jones will likely be overpaid because of the weak free agent class. That's why both are poor options.

Edited October 29, 2005 by SSH2005

[SoxFan1]

I am pretty sure there is a reason KW chose Dye over Burnitz last off-season...

[DBAHO]

DBAHO

 

Sorry dude, but you are absolutely crazy if you think we will trade Garland if we lose Paulie. If we lose Paulie, I rather see us put Dye at 1B and try and go after a decent RF like Burnitz or Jacque Jones who will not break the bank and give us another 20 + HR guy on the team. We add Frank at DH hopefully and Frank + Jacque/Burnitz give us the same production as Carl + Paulie gave us this past year

 

Also, again, if Paulie re-signs forget Anderson becoming a regular OF next year. The OF is set, and Anderson can play platoon resting all the OFs every now and then and getting 70+ starts + some pinch hit opportunities in inter-league games at National league parks + late in games where matchups dictate it. There is NO need for the Sox not to start the same team next year and it very well could be the case if Paulie re-signs. (Frank replacing Carl of course)

Burnitz, haha that's a good one. Like a fine wine, he's only going to get with age like Vinny Castilla right? He hit 24 HR's in a ballpark that's excellent for LHH power hitters. He's only going to get worse, not better. And don't forget Jacque Jones is absolutely HORRIBLE against lefties, which means you need a good platoon OF.

 

Frank and Jones won't put up 65 HR's like Carl and Paulie did this season. I know everyone wants Thomas back, because everyone loves him, but Cheat's posted the stats, when he comes back from a major injury, first season back, he's not that good.

 

Anderson's a better defender, and unlike Borchard, he's actually hit for a good average in the minor league levels. He should be playing everyday, not sitting on the bench and coming in for a pinch hit once a game.

 

And knight, don't forget the Sox hold an 07 option on Rowand's contract. They could easily decide not to pick that up and give Anderson CF, or they could trade Rowand to the Yanks before then.

[Rowand44]

Anderson probably will not start until after Dye's contract runs out in '07.

Anderson is going to be starting in the big leagues somewhere in 06.

[SoxFan1]

Burnitz, haha that's a good one. Like a fine wine, he's only going to get with age like Vinny Castilla right? He hit 24 HR's in a ballpark that's excellent for LHH power hitters. He's only going to get worse, not better. And don't forget Jacque Jones is absolutely HORRIBLE against lefties, which means you need a good platoon OF.

 

Frank and Jones won't put up 65 HR's like Carl and Paulie did this season. I know everyone wants Thomas back, because everyone loves him, but Cheat's posted the stats, when he comes back from a major injury, first season back, he's not that good.

 

Anderson's a better defender, and unlike Borchard, he's actually hit for a good average in the minor league levels. He should be playing everyday, not sitting on the bench and coming in for a pinch hit once a game.

 

And knight, don't forget the Sox hold an 07 option on Rowand's contract. They could easily decide not to pick that up and give Anderson CF, or they could trade Rowand to the Yanks before then.

If you ever became the White Sox GM, I would shoot myself in the foot. What would be the point of getting rid of Aaron? And Jon?

[DBAHO]

Anderson is going to be starting in the big leagues somewhere in 06.

He'd actually make perfect sense for the Minnesota Twins especially if either Hunter or Jones (more likely) leaves. But there's no way that happens.

[DBAHO]

If you ever became the White Sox GM, I would shoot myself in the foot. What would be the point of getting rid of Aaron? And Jon?

I never said "I wanted" to trade Jon. I said the Sox could look into that possibility if Konerko left, if they needed a trade option.

 

As for Aaron, yes I know everyone loves his defense. But can you sit here and tell me a .736 OPS in a hitters park and a 116/32 K/BB ratio is good?

 

And thank you for the compliment.

[SSH2005]

I never said "I wanted" to trade Jon. I said the Sox could look into that possibility if Konerko left, if they needed a trade option.

 

As for Aaron, yes I know everyone loves his defense. But can you sit here and tell me a .736 OPS in a hitters park and a 116/32 K/BB ratio is good?

 

And thank you for the compliment. 

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It wouldn't be horrible if we didn't also have a light-hitting left fielder. If we still had Carlos Lee in left field, Rowand's OPS wouldn't matter. But then we wouldn't have a leadoff man either. I do agree that the Yankees would take Rowand in a second though.

[SoxFan1]

I never said "I wanted" to trade Jon. I said the Sox could look into that possibility if Konerko left, if they needed a trade option.

 

As for Aaron, yes I know everyone loves his defense. But can you sit here and tell me a .736 OPS in a hitters park and a 116/32 K/BB ratio is good?

 

And thank you for the compliment. 

Any time.

 

It just seems as if you'd rather dismantle the team that won the World Series rather than keep them intact and improve. Not that that's a bad thing Mr. Gm.

[sox-r-us]

Burnitz, haha that's a good one. Like a fine wine, he's only going to get with age like Vinny Castilla right? He hit 24 HR's in a ballpark that's excellent for LHH power hitters. He's only going to get worse, not better. And don't forget Jacque Jones is absolutely HORRIBLE against lefties, which means you need a good platoon OF.

 

Frank and Jones won't put up 65 HR's like Carl and Paulie did this season. I know everyone wants Thomas back, because everyone loves him, but Cheat's posted the stats, when he comes back from a major injury, first season back, he's not that good.

 

Anderson's a better defender, and unlike Borchard, he's actually hit for a good average in the minor league levels. He should be playing everyday, not sitting on the bench and coming in for a pinch hit once a game.

 

And knight, don't forget the Sox hold an 07 option on Rowand's contract. They could easily decide not to pick that up and give Anderson CF, or they could trade Rowand to the Yanks before then.

 

If we go with Anderson at RF, then we MUST get Frank back AND extend Garland + Count. If we are lettign Paulie walk and saving ~14M a year, there is no excuse to not consolidate our pitching for more than just next year and simply focus on hitting from our prospects + some trade deadline help if needed.

 

Also, I disagree about Frank not doing well the year after his injury. Yes, his avg was down but he was on pace for 50 HRs this year if he had played all through to the series. So I have faith in Frank. The guy takes his off season very seriously.

[DBAHO]

It wouldn't be horrible if we didn't also have a light-hitting left fielder.  If we still had Carlos Lee in left field, Rowand's OPS wouldn't matter.  But then we wouldn't have a leadoff man either.  I do agree that the Yankees would take Rowand in a second though.

EXACTLY. But because people loves Pods so much, you need to have 2 good run producers in the other OF spots. You can't have both Pods and Rowand if Rowand's offense stays on a 2005 level. If he can hit like he did in 2004, he'll be here for a long, long time.

[sox-r-us]

Don't you dare suggest trading Pods

 

Lisa Dergan

Edited October 29, 2005 by sox-r-us

[knightni]

Count is the ultimate trade bait.

 

He can't possibly repeat his '05 success.

 

Sell high, buy low.