IITsox Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 04:57 PM) Podsednik would be the worse right fielder in baseball and Manny is one of the worse left fielders in baseball. You'd have Rowand and two terrible outfielders. They would be one of the worse outfields out there. No doubt about it. Manny would only be a DH with the Sox. Nothing more, nothing less. Manny in left, Rowand in right, Podsednik moves to center. For those who belive Podsednik would butcher center, his 2003 and 2004 fielding statistics show that he actually played better in center in Milwakee than in left in Chicago. Also, his fielding percentages in Milwaukee are nearly identical to Rowand's fielding percentage in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 QUOTE(IITsox @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) Manny in left, Rowand in right, Podsednik moves to center. For those who belive Podsednik would butcher center, his 2003 and 2004 fielding statistics show that he actually played better in center in Milwakee than in left in Chicago. Also, his fielding percentages in Milwaukee are nearly identical to Rowand's fielding percentage in 2005. Pods is a terrible CF. Not only that, but Rowand would go from being an above-average CF to an average RF with a poor arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 (edited) Manny in left, Rowand in right, Podsednik moves to center. For those who belive Podsednik would butcher center, his 2003 and 2004 fielding statistics show that he actually played better in center in Milwakee than in left in Chicago. Also, his fielding percentages in Milwaukee are nearly identical to Rowand's fielding percentage in 2005. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Fielding percentages are overrated. You don't get errors when you get a horrible jump and a ball flies over your head. Use your eyes. It doesn't take a genious to see that Podsednik isn't a great outfielder. He wasn't all that great in left field this season. I would describe him as "shaky at best." I wouldn't want to have to watch him move back to center field next season. His reads on balls are awful. Edited October 29, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 QUOTE(IITsox @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) Manny in left, Rowand in right, Podsednik moves to center. For those who belive Podsednik would butcher center, his 2003 and 2004 fielding statistics show that he actually played better in center in Milwakee than in left in Chicago. Also, his fielding percentages in Milwaukee are nearly identical to Rowand's fielding percentage in 2005. Fielding % means nothing. Rowand gets to way more balls than Pods would ever get to in CF. Pods isn't anything more than an average LF (at that) and would be a poor CFer. By the way, welcome aboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 They just said on ESPN (during the 30 at 30 break during a game) that Manny has told the Red Sox that he wants to be traded and that he will not report to spring training if he is not traded SO, there you go folks. It is now official that Manny is serious. Not sure if he will change his mind AGAIN but for now that is the word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Can we at least agree to this? If 1) Konerko is not resigned 2) We don't give away every player of value we have 3) Boston would eat a chunk of his contract then trading for Manny is a good option. Depending on who gets shipped out in the trade, there are a variety of good ways the team can be configured on a given day based on rotating the DH position (i.e. Thomas is not an everyday DH in this situation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 11:58 AM) They just said on ESPN (during the 30 at 30 break during a game) that Manny has told the Red Sox that he wants to be traded and that he will not report to spring training if he is not traded SO, there you go folks. It is now official that Manny is serious. Not sure if he will change his mind AGAIN but for now that is the word He'll change his mind in 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Can anyone actually recall a holdout in baseball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 02:11 PM) the quoted portion was an indirect insult, and it wont be tolerated. That was sarcasm as in your post actually made sense. I didn't think green was needed on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Oh yeah, don't forget that during the season, Ozzie loves using the bench so it is not that farfetched to think that Pods and Manny wouldn't be playing on the same day until the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 If we traded for Manny, re-signed Paulie and re-signed Frank, then Ozzie can use Manny as a starter in his Final-game-of-the-series-throw-away-lineup... then we cannot complain when we see his every 3rd day line up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(rventura23 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 12:59 PM) We do NOT need Manny Ramirez. He is a phenominal hitter, but hes lazy, complains too much, and is bad for the clubhouse He has a ring that proves this isnt such a big issue. Manny as a DH would be phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Marte, Rowand, and El Duque for Manny. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> save Marte for the Delgado trade. B) Pods Iguchi Thomas Delgado Manny Dye aj Crede Uribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 03:22 AM) save Marte for the Delgado trade. B) Pods Iguchi Thomas Delgado Manny Dye aj Crede Uribe If we had Manny and Delgado id trade Dye and give Anderson a spot in the lineup because he wouldnt be needed. Although imagine the spike in payroll for this to be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 03:28 AM) If we had Manny and Delgado id trade Dye and give Anderson a spot in the lineup because he wouldnt be needed. Although imagine the spike in payroll for this to be possible. JR does have the money now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) save Marte for the Delgado trade. B) Pods Iguchi Thomas Delgado Manny Dye aj Crede Uribe <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If we got Delgado, he would bat third and Frank would bat fourth. That said, I don't see it happening. Delgado AND Manny? Edited October 30, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 09:22 PM) save Marte for the Delgado trade. B) Pods Iguchi Thomas Delgado Manny Dye aj Crede Uribe Haha, and I thought the Manny trade was a pipedream. Manny and Delgado? Wow. And yes, I got the sarcasm there. And I agree with you sox-r-us. Manny would be a part of our 3rd day throw away lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 10:19 PM) Manny as a DH would be phenomenal. Yes it would. The only questions left are: Would Manny be willing to DH? Would the Sox still be able to resign Konerko (he's a solid hitter that would be even better with protection like Manny)? How much of Manny's contract would the Sox have to take? How much would the Sox have to give up? If the answers to those questions are all favorable to the Sox, then I say the deal gets done. To me, chemistry wouldn't be an issue, because the Sox took some people who other teams labeled "clubhouse cancers" and made a great team with them in the clubhouse, so Manny being labeled as such doesn't bother me really, but this lineup excites me. LF Podsednik 2B Iguchi 1B Konerko DH Ramirez RF Dye C Pierzynski CF Rowand 3B Crede SS Uribe That's basically the lineup that won it all for us except the middle of it is more potent, and we know that the Sox will have basically the same staff. To me, as long as the cost isn't insane (maybe Marte, El Duque, and Sweeney with the Sox taking 3/4 or so of the contract?) and Manny will agree to DH, this is definitely the thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Yes it would. The only questions left are: Would Manny be willing to DH? Would the Sox still be able to resign Konerko (he's a solid hitter that would be even better with protection like Manny)? How much of Manny's contract would the Sox have to take? How much would the Sox have to give up? If the answers to those questions are all favorable to the Sox, then I say the deal gets done. To me, chemistry wouldn't be an issue, because the Sox took some people who other teams labeled "clubhouse cancers" and made a great team with them in the clubhouse, so Manny being labeled as such doesn't bother me really, but this lineup excites me. LF Podsednik 2B Iguchi 1B Konerko DH Ramirez RF Dye C Pierzynski CF Rowand 3B Crede SS Uribe That's basically the lineup that won it all for us except the middle of it is more potent, and we know that the Sox will have basically the same staff. To me, as long as the cost isn't insane (maybe Marte, El Duque, and Sweeney with the Sox taking 3/4 or so of the contract?) and Manny will agree to DH, this is definitely the thing to do. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Manny would bat third and Konerko would bat fourth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 29, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) Manny would bat third and Konerko would bat fourth. Manny needs Konerko's protection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Manny needs Konerko's protection? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your best hitter bats third. Manny is more of a #3 hitter and Konerko is more of a cleanup hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) Your best hitter bats third. Manny is more of a #3 hitter and Konerko is more of a cleanup hitter. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Manny bat 4th with the Red Sox? Why would they do that? They'd do it to make a good hitter like David Ortiz (or Paul Konerko) even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 (edited) Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Manny bat 4th with the Red Sox? Why would they do that? They'd do it to make a good hitter like David Ortiz (or Paul Konerko) even better. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, this season Ortiz was the slightly better hitter among the two. They mainly batted Ortiz third and Manny cleanup to go lefty, righty, lefty, righty. Johnny Damon (lefty) Edgar Renteria (righty) David Ortiz (lefty) Manny Ramirez (righty) Both Ortiz and Manny are #3 hitters on almost any other team. Your best hitter bats third. Manny is a better hitter than Konerko. I can guarantee you that Ozzie and any other manager in the MLB would bat Manny third and Konerko fourth. Edited October 30, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 Correct because you want to protect Manny with Konerko, and not Konerko with Manny. Plus, when possible, its nicer to have the faster of the two hitters hit 3rd. Not that there is any speed to be had with Manny and Paulie! Wouldn't you pay a dollar for a ppv footrace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 30, 2005 -> 05:29 AM) Correct because you want to protect Manny with Konerko, and not Konerko with Manny. Plus, when possible, its nicer to have the faster of the two hitters hit 3rd. Not that there is any speed to be had with Manny and Paulie! Wouldn't you pay a dollar for a ppv footrace? I would say add Big Frank to it too Big Frank might actually win that one....even with one injured leg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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