Chaos in Paris

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/02...iots/index.html

 

Poor Islamic youths are turning Paris upside-down for the 7th straight day. This is getting really ugly.

 

 

 

On another note. I REALLY like this guy. I hope he wins the presidency of France so they'll grow some balls.

 

Sarkozy was criticized by government minister Azouz Begag for calling the protesting youths "scum," and the opposition Socialists have denounced Sarkozy's policies.

 

But the interior minister defended his approach.

 

"I speak with real words," Sarkozy told Wednesday's Le Parisien newspaper. "When you fire real bullets at police, you're not a 'youth,' you're a thug."

 

Sarkozy described the social aid provided to the suburbs over the years as a failure.

 

"We often accepted the unacceptable," he told Le Parisien. "The reigning order is too often the order of gangs, drugs, traffickers. The neighborhoods are waiting for firmness but also justice" and jobs.

 

Sarkozy and de Villepin, both met Tuesday evening with victim's relatives, but the unrest spread even as they met.

 

The two men are locked in an increasingly tense battle to lead the right in the 2007 presidential election.

[Rex Kickass]

I'm not saying I'm on the side of rioters but...

 

you try being anything but white in France and see how youre treated.

[Texsox]

Rex, is this closer to a civil rights movement or just gangs out of control? I don't know enough about French society to tell.

 

Best of times, worst of times?

[Rex Kickass]

Not so much a civil rights movement as a race riot.

 

This has less to do with religion and more to do with geography. A lot of the people who live in the communities which are rioting are from Algeria and other French colonies. And they've been treated like crap for so long, its been a tinderbox waiting for years.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/05...iots/index.html

 

Rioting continues unabated for the 9th straight night.

[Flash Tizzle]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/05...iots/index.html

 

Rioting continues unabated for the 9th straight night.

 

How long until France surrenders?

 

This is why jokes about their lack of military prowless continue.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

How long until France surrenders?

 

This is why jokes about their lack of military prowless continue.

 

 

I wonder if the riot police are going into these neighborhoods with white flags over their heads.

 

 

 

 

I had to do it.

[WilliamTell]

I wonder if the riot police are going into these neighborhoods with white flags over their heads.

I had to do it.

 

lol if you wouldn't have mentioned it, I would've when I read this thread. France has issues (but we already knew that.)

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/05...iots/index.html

 

Violence gets worse and worse instead of better and is growing more widespread. The French Government better do something to get this over with quickly or the whole country might fall into chaos.

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/02...mann/index.html

 

 

This article is pretty telling as well. Its actually being suggested that the police leave the neighborhoods in order to "calm them down". LOL! Yeah so the rioters can tear the place down without police interference.

 

I love how the media is spinning this into the typical "frustration and rage" story. These Muslim immigrants show up in France with no skills and no education and they expect to be provided with everything and if they dont get everything they want then they burn the house down.

Edited November 6, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[Cerbaho-WG]

I love how the media is spinning this into the typical "frustration and rage" story. These Muslim immigrants show up in France with no skills and no education and they expect to be provided with everything and if they dont get everything they want then they burn the house down.

 

That's pure ignorance. Some Pied Noirs have been kept down for over forty years, and, as said earlier, this was just waiting to happen. Algerians and other immigrants have been in a cycle of abject poverty for over four decades now, and they're finally showing their disgust with the French government.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

That's pure ignorance. Some Pied Noirs have been kept down for over forty years, and, as said earlier, this was just waiting to happen. Algerians and other immigrants have been in a cycle of abject poverty for over four decades now, and they're finally showing their disgust with the French government.

 

 

If they are being treated so badly in France then let them go back where they came from. Nobody forced those people to move there in the 1st place. There is no excuse for this behavior whatsoever but the French......being the French.......are letting it spin out of control and tear the country apart.

[Kid Gleason]

I've been kind of ignoring this story since it started. I see "France" in the headlines and I shrug my shoulders and pass on by it. But maybe it is time to catch up on it before their government looses it's heads.

 

And no, the recent Iraq crap isn't my reasons for disliking the French. My disliking of them goes back to when I was in High School. They might suck bigtime, but hopefully they can get s*** together over there. I mean, without them being as the French should be, where is our example of how the perfect person should live?

[Soxy]

If they are being treated so badly in France then let them go back where they came from.  Nobody forced those people to move there in the 1st place.  There is no excuse for this behavior whatsoever but the French......being the French.......are letting it spin out of control and tear the country apart.

A lot of them are from french colonies. So, to be honest, "going back to where they came from" wouldn't really help a lot.

[Dick Allen]

I don't know what the French government can do at this point. Afterall, I was in Paris a few years ago when the unemployed went on strike looking for better benefits. They would stand in front of the entrances of the Louvre and other museums, and tourist destinations, not letting anyone in. They got their increased benefits.

[Kid Gleason]

Two posts from a board I live at:

 

Oh... these kind of riots often happens, but the media talks more about it this time 'cause it's happening at the same time in different places.

Young people acting stupid like "hey look we've burned a car tonight" so their friends will reply "cool but we're better, we're burning 20 buses tonight"... I'm not exaggerating.

A few months ago my guitar player got his car burned while we were practicing and the guys got caught and they were all like 14 years old...

I understand when people are angry because of unemployment, racial discriminations or whatever but in that case parents should just look at their children more... it's no fun to burn the car of someone who worked hard to buy it.

 

and:

Laur Says what i think,

They burn lot of car, just because they thinks they're cool.But in France, it's like that every 2years. Now it's just in Paris, some other town...but it's not civil war don't worry.

The media exaggerate the situation..Yes there're riot, and lot of car burns (like 800 cars in 8days).

But we've got our gourvenement they don't try to stop that...they want fight with them...I'm Ok, but not like that. ( we don't fight fire with fire).

Our Minister provoke them, and the fight don't stop...For moment it's just material dommage..

 

So Wait n' see...

[Texsox]

Some good advice from the mayor of Las Vegas, "cut off their thumbs". If France had the death penalty and just rushed these rioters directly to the electric chair the same night, the rioting would end in one night.

[Mercy!]

Some good advice from the mayor of Las Vegas, "cut off their thumbs". If France had the death penalty and just rushed these rioters directly to the electric chair the same night, the rioting would end in one night.

Mais oui! But, don’t you know, that silly Mayor GoodWienerMan of Las Vegas is a piker in comparison to the original creators of the guillotine. I don’t think he could show those Frenchies a thing.

 

Well, now that the riots have spread to Paris, I thought I’d mention that the mayor of that city, Bertrand Delanoë, is a Socialist, born in Tunisia, and an out gay man. Uh-oh!

[mr_genius]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/05...iots/index.html

 

 

I love how the media is spinning this into the typical "frustration and rage" story.  These Muslim immigrants show up in France with no skills and no education and they expect to be provided with everything and if they dont get everything they want then they burn the house down.

 

 

i totally agree.

Edited November 7, 2005 by mr_genius

[Texsox]

i  totally agree.

Just like those uppity blacks in the 1960s. They should have just gone back

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Just like those uppity blacks in the 1960s. They should have just gone back

 

 

So now you're comparing a bunch of thugs who are rioting and committing arson to peaceful civil rights protestors? Rosa Parks didn't torch the bus when they told her to move to the back. Martin Luther King didn't burn down schools in his own neighborhood.

 

Sorry Tex there's no comparison here. Try again.

 

There's a word that can be accurately used to describe people who destroy things indiscriminantely. That word is savages.

Edited November 7, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[Mercy!]

Nuke, from your response to Tex, it appears that not only were you not around for the ‘60’s, but you seem to lack even the most rudimentary knowledge of that period in our history when so many of our cities burned. A good place to start if you care to stop talking about “savages” and looking foolishly uneducated would be 1968.

 

Oh, and by the way, here’s another tip: When you’re finished brushing up on recent US history, do a little checking into your world history for 1968, more specifically Paris. What do you suppose was going on back then? Yep. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Only back then, it was the students who were rioting nightly, not the “savages.”

 

Education. It’s never too late.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Nuke, from your response to Tex, it appears that not only were you not around for the ‘60’s, but you seem to lack even the most rudimentary knowledge of that period in our history when so many of our cities burned.  A good place to start if you care to stop talking about “savages” and looking foolishly uneducated would be 1968.

 

Oh, and by the way, here’s another tip: When you’re finished brushing up on recent US history, do a little checking into your world history for 1968, more specifically Paris.  What do you suppose was going on back then?  Yep.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.  Only back then, it was the students who were rioting nightly, not the “savages.”

 

Education.  It’s never too late.

 

 

I know perfectly well what happened in the 60's in this country and thankfully I was not around to have seen any of it. Tex was referring to poor, disadvantaged people who weren't happy with the way the government was treating them. If YOU had any grounding in US history you would know that discrimination was not what touched off the riots of 1968 but the assassination of MLK.

 

From everything I've read about this issue, or at least the way the media is spinning it, this is all about them living in poverty and being discriminated against by the government. When YOU'RE done brushing up on your US history you can go back to working on that attitude problem you have.

 

On a side note, is it hard being as angry and bitter as you are? Were you abused as a child? Dropped on your head? Does your significant other treat you like dirt and you need to vent somehow? Im just curious as to what makes someone want to go online and try to claim superiority over a bunch of people they know nothing about. Additionally, if you were as intelligent as you claim to be then you wouldn't let differing viewpoints or how they're expressed, on the internet no less, get you so steamed up that you feel the need to post a bunch of shrill rantings in response.

Edited November 7, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[Rex Kickass]

So now you're comparing a bunch of thugs who are rioting and committing arson to peaceful civil rights protestors?  Rosa Parks didn't torch the bus when they told her to move to the back.  Martin Luther King didn't burn down schools in his own neighborhood. 

 

Sorry Tex there's no comparison here.  Try again.

 

There's a word that can be accurately used to describe people who destroy things indiscriminantely.  That word is savages.

 

Just to answer you. Most of these people that are rioting and are treated badly aren't "just off the boat." Some of these people have been there for decades - and they moved to France because they had no choice - economically, politically or otherwise. Some of these people have lived there their whole life and have been treated s***ty because of the color of their skin, or the religion they preach.

 

This has been a tinderbox waiting to happen for decades. And it might bring down Chirac and possibly the Fifth Republic with it.

[southsider2k5]

Hey Rex, I saw a Turkish religious leader tie the French headscarf ban into all of this, any insight?

[Balta1701]

Hey Rex, I saw a Turkish religious leader tie the French headscarf ban into all of this, any insight?

Rex could disagree with me, but think of it this way...if we look at these riots as the violent outburst of an oppressed minority, then the headscarf ban is just another piece of the puzzle. It's an example of one of the many ways that this particular minority has been oppressed by the larger majority over there. For some people, they may be furious and angry because of economic opportunities, for others they may be motivated by the limits the government has placed on their freedom to express their religion.