Rowand44 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(easyw @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 09:34 PM) PK should get 3 years at $50 million. Anything longer or for more money is just not worth it. Long term big money deals always turn out to be bad for the team. If he won't take $16.5 million/year, with a 3-year guarantee, then he's not worth it. Let him go to NY and endure the media circus.. Put Dye at first, put Anderson in right, give Garland some more cash and let the chips fall where they may. This is one of the more insane things I've seen people think should be offered to Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(easyw @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 09:34 PM) PK should get 3 years at $50 million. Anything longer or for more money is just not worth it. Long term big money deals always turn out to be bad for the team. If he won't take $16.5 million/year, with a 3-year guarantee, then he's not worth it. Let him go to NY and endure the media circus.. Put Dye at first, put Anderson in right, give Garland some more cash and let the chips fall where they may. You are f***ing insane. There is absolutely no way you give Paul Konerko $16.67M a year. That's $3.67M too much, that money could be used in much better ways than Konerko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(easyw @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 09:34 PM) PK should get 3 years at $50 million. Anything longer or for more money is just not worth it. Long term big money deals always turn out to be bad for the team. If he won't take $16.5 million/year, with a 3-year guarantee, then he's not worth it. Let him go to NY and endure the media circus.. Put Dye at first, put Anderson in right, give Garland some more cash and let the chips fall where they may. Give me some of that magical drug, Paulie is not even worth 4 years at that price even though he will get it. With that money, the Sox could get Billy Wagner and Brian Giles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 07:37 PM) I guess Jermaine Dye wasn't the highest of high profile players, but there were a few teams after him and he took less to sign with the Sox because he liked the make-up of the team. Also Freddy probably took less than his market value to stay with the Sox, i know the Ozzie factor is the reason for that, but he seems to fit. Freddy signed his deal in the middle of 2004, before the Free agency period hit. I think the contract that set the tone for that period was Kris Benson's deal, which was signed in November. After that, there was a pretty decent jump in what pitchers were asking for based on his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 04:24 AM) You are f***ing insane. There is absolutely no way you give Paul Konerko $16.67M a year. That's $3.67M too much, that money could be used in much better ways than Konerko. I think what Easyw was trying to get across in his post is that money isn't the biggest factor, but the extra years are. He should still be a 120-135 OPS+ player for the next two years, but beyond that, it gets iffy. But, even I wouldn't go that high. I want to see what happens with Matsui and the Yankees, so I'm following that closely. There's pretty much only two bats who can replace what Konerko did for us last year, and that's Konerko, and Giles. While Matsui isn't quite the caliber hitter of either of those guys (well -- Win Shares has Matsui being a better hitter than Konerko, but I'm not sure if it's right to compare a LF'er to a 1B-man), he's just a notch below. Just about one day more till the ball starts rolling... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Santana and Sheets both took smaller contracts than what they could of got in the open market. Santana at the begining of his contract year and Sheets in the middle of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 9, 2005 -> 11:05 PM) Santana and Sheets both took smaller contracts than what they could of got in the open market. Santana at the begining of his contract year and Sheets in the middle of it. Freddie Garcia also took less than he could have received on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 07:12 AM) Freddie Garcia also took less than he could have received on the open market. Yeah but Freddy was more so because of Ozzie.... those guys were more so for the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 01:25 AM) Yeah but Freddy was more so because of Ozzie.... those guys were more so for the team... The fact remains, regardless of the so called reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 07:33 AM) The fact remains, regardless of the so called reason. He said a team discount not an Ozzie discount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 01:44 AM) He said a team discount not an Ozzie discount Considering the team is paying the salary, I'd say it is a team discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 http://msn.foxsports.com/story/5070298 "Free-agent first baseman Paul Konerko would like a full no-trade clause from the team that signs him, but two of his most interested suitors, the White Sox and Angels, frown on such provisions. The Angels gave right fielder Vladimir Guerrero, shortstop Orlando Cabrera and right-hander Bartolo Colon extremely limited no-trade protection in their free-agent deals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) http://msn.foxsports.com/story/5070298 "Free-agent first baseman Paul Konerko would like a full no-trade clause from the team that signs him, but two of his most interested suitors, the White Sox and Angels, frown on such provisions. The Angels gave right fielder Vladimir Guerrero, shortstop Orlando Cabrera and right-hander Bartolo Colon extremely limited no-trade protection in their free-agent deals." The sox would probably be the only team in a position to offer PK a no trade clause. If he's the team leader they say he is, then putting in that clause wouldn't and shouldn't be an issue. That clause will also help lower the money and may be enough to overcome another teams offer of say 5 or 6 years I say a 4 yr deal for $50 mill with a no trade clause, is more than fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(beck72 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 10:02 PM) The sox would probably be the only team in a position to offer PK a no trade clause. If he's the team leader they say he is, then putting in that clause wouldn't and shouldn't be an issue. That clause will also help lower the money and may be enough to overcome another teams offer of say 5 or 6 years I say a 4 yr deal for $50 mill with a no trade clause, is more than fair. I actually think if the Dodgers are desperate enough, and you don't know what McCourt's feeling right now, they could offer him 5 years with a no trade clause. They really worry me now when it comes to Paulie. I still think he's gonna end up with around a 65/5 deal from somewhere though. Matsui's contract is probably set the market for him, and he'll definitely want more salary wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 06:08 AM) I actually think if the Dodgers are desperate enough, and you don't know what McCourt's feeling right now, they could offer him 5 years with a no trade clause. They really worry me now when it comes to Paulie. I still think he's gonna end up with around a 65/5 deal from somewhere though. Matsui's contract is probably set the market for him, and he'll definitely want more salary wise. I think 5 years will scare NL clubs away as the DH option makes sense in Paul's case ina couple of years as well as to get him days off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 12:08 PM) I actually think if the Dodgers are desperate enough, and you don't know what McCourt's feeling right now, they could offer him 5 years with a no trade clause. They really worry me now when it comes to Paulie. I still think he's gonna end up with around a 65/5 deal from somewhere though. Matsui's contract is probably set the market for him, and he'll definitely want more salary wise. The sox could go 5 yrs w/ a no-trade, as they have the DH in case of an injury. The dodgers could as well. If an offer was the same, it would be in PK's court--play close to home with the team that drafted him or play with the sox? I think the no-trade clause could be key. If Vlad didn't get one with the angels, how would that look with Pk getting one? With the angels deep in prospects--with Morales [who they're paying big bucks to] and Kotchman at 1b, why guarantee 5 yrs a slow power hitting slugger who has less than a .280 career avg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Saw this on ESPN's Daily Quickie...don't know what his sources are, but this could be a good thing. Konerko Gets Deal? Four years, $52 million is reportedly Chicago's preemptive offer to the would-be free-agent (via Daily Southtown). The ALCS MVP wants five years, but that $13M/year price seems pretty generous. At least Chicago is making an attempt. (Keep dreaming, Red Sox fans. Reportedly, he has no interest in coming to Boston. That makes the next item even more intriguing ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 i hope paulie shocks us and the baseball world and for some odd reason accepts our offer of 4 years 52 mil. wouldn't that make our offseason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Sorry if this is elsewhere, KW leaning toward Gload as plan B ?? http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox10.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) Sorry if this is elsewhere, KW leaning toward Gload as plan B ?? http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox10.html No big suprise here... We all know Kenny likes to swing for the fences. Rumors circulating at the general managers' meetings have the Sox in the trade market for the Philadelphia Phillies' Jim Thome or the Florida Marlins' Carlos Delgado. But for either of those plans to come to fruition, the current team would have to pick up a hefty chunk of the remaining salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 wonderful...............lets trade some of our great pitching for a guy that gets hurt alot of the last few years, and not just ante up and get konerko. please lets hope ross gload isn;t the answer...........i will choke myself, i am not a big gload fan at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 FWIW, ESPN 1000 is saying via Levine that the Sox may be interested in Helton from the Rockies... anyone know hiw contract status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 01:21 PM) FWIW, ESPN 1000 is saying via Levine that the Sox may be interested in Helton from the Rockies... anyone know hiw contract status? He has a mammoth contract. '06 - $16.6M '07 - $16.6M '08 - $16.6M '09 - $16.6M '10 - $16.6M '11 - $19.1M '12 - Team Option - $23M, $4.6M buyout + has ability to void deal after 2007 and become a Free Agent, if he notifies the team of his decision by Nov. 15, 2006 + COMPLETE NO-TRADE CLAUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 01:26 PM) He has a mammoth contract. '06 - $16.6M '07 - $16.6M '08 - $16.6M '09 - $16.6M '10 - $16.6M '11 - $19.1M '12 - Team Option - $23M, $4.6M buyout + has ability to void deal after 2007 and become a Free Agent, if he notifies the team of his decision by Nov. 15, 2006 + COMPLETE NO-TRADE CLAUSE giant contract, but they could get him cheap in terms of prospects. plus colorado im sure would eat some of it. id do it in a heart beat if the sox can get col to pay a hefty chunk. The guys a flat obp machine. had a dip in power last year, but his doubles were still high, so much of it can return. ive never seen a guy rake as much as he does and get talked about so little. granted coors has alot to do with it prolly, his numbers in this decade are pujols like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(daa84 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 01:31 PM) giant contract, but they could get him cheap in terms of prospects. plus colorado im sure would eat some of it. id do it in a heart beat if the sox can get col to pay a hefty chunk. The guys a flat obp machine. had a dip in power last year, but his doubles were still high, so much of it can return. ive never seen a guy rake as much as he does and get talked about so little. granted coors has alot to do with it prolly, his numbers in this decade are pujols like huge contract, i imagine for it to make sense the Rockies would have to take more than what PK ends up signing for. If it works out financially and PK walks, I'm OK with Helton. Delgado or Helton would be really interesting for me (even Matsui?) because the ball jumps out of the Cell, and it seems to jump out the most to right center, so a power hitting lefty hitting 3rd or 4th was always intriguing to me. lol, on a side note, it seems that Mike Murphy (huge Cubs fan and original bleacher bum) is obsessed with the Sox this offseason. I tune into his show once in awhile and he always talks about PK and what the Sox will or won't do. Between this and some of my friends, the true Cubs fans are taking the Sox championship pretty hard. poor them... a lot of them like to think, hope, that the Sox will let PK walk, let Gload play 1st and then trade Contreras or B-Mac for a bag of balls... Personally I feel the Sox will end up around 90m in payroll, just have no clue on how that's going to shake out though Edited November 10, 2005 by SoxFan562004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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