Official Re-sign Paul Konerko Thread

[daa84]

FWIW heltons second half: july: .400 BA .494 OBP

August: .357 .465

September: .386 .526!

[Kalapse]

giant contract, but they could get him cheap in terms of prospects. plus colorado im sure would eat some of it. id do it in a heart beat if the sox can get col to pay a hefty chunk. The guys a flat obp machine. had a dip in power last year, but his doubles were still high, so much of it can return. ive never seen a guy rake as much as he does and get talked about so little. granted coors has alot to do with it prolly, his numbers in this decade are pujols like

The Rockies have said two things consistantly;

1.) They are NOT trading Helton

2.) If somehow they did, they would not eat any of his contract.

 

Todd Helton's road splits are icky, I don't care if we do play at Coors East, a player making $16.6M+ a year for the next 6 years has to be more of a gaurantee than he is.

[Rowand44]

Sorry if this is elsewhere, KW leaning toward Gload as plan B ??

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox10.html

I'm personally a big fan of Ross and would have no problem with him starting at first if we added a top notch dh. That being said, imo Kenny is just saying that for leverage in the trade market, he doesn't want other gm's to believe that he needs another first baseman. I would highly doubt Gload is our starting 1b next year.

[nitetrain8601]

Well as long as KW has Delgado and Thome as backup plans, I'm fine with what we do. Ross Gload should be nothing more than a UTIL player.

[fathom]

I'm personally a big fan of Ross and would have no problem with him starting at first if we added a top notch dh.  That being said, imo Kenny is just saying that for leverage in the trade market, he doesn't want other gm's to believe that he needs another first baseman.  I would highly doubt Gload is our starting 1b next year.

 

Perfectly said

[That funky motion]

I have a hard time believing Gload would be our starting 1st baseman,when they were reluctant to call him up this year.

[CanOfCorn]

I have a hard time believing Gload would be our starting 1st baseman,when they were reluctant to call him up this year.

 

They could blame that on the injuries. He did have a pretty severe shoulder injury IIRC.

[RME JICO]

From Sun-Times

Rumors circulating at the general managers' meetings have the Sox in the trade market for the Philadelphia Phillies' Jim Thome or the Florida Marlins' Carlos Delgado. But for either of those plans to come to fruition, the current team would have to pick up a hefty chunk of the remaining salary.

 

For those trades to take place, the Sox likely would have to part ways with a front-line starter. The Marlins were enamored with Jose Contreras long before his second-half revival, while the Phillies might want Contreras or Brandon McCarthy.

 

I just don't see the Sox giving up Count or B-Mac to gain someone like Delgado, while also losing Paulie. There is no way that will happen.

 

I have to believe that Paulie will sign with the Sox, and he will probably get the 5 year deal he wanted.

[beck72]

imo Kenny is just saying that for leverage in the trade market, he doesn't want other gm's to believe that he needs another first baseman.  I would highly doubt Gload is our starting 1b next year.

 

Well put. Going into the GM meetings he doesn't want to seem needy or desperate to make a deal. Gload won't be starting for the sox.

[GreatScott82]

Latest rumors (abc 7 news) stated: KW will pursuit Todd Helton if he cannot re-sign Pauly. KW is also NOT interested in aqcuirering Manny Ramerez. I guess there were talks a few weeks back about Manny's high interest in playing for Ozzie Guillen.

Todd Helton is an awesome offensive player. And at the Cell he has the capabilities of putting up big #s. However, he is no Pauly. But not a bad 2nd option to have- JUST IN CASE!

[Milkman delivers]

Latest rumors (abc 7 news) stated: KW will pursuit Todd Helton if he cannot re-sign Pauly. KW is also NOT interested in aqcuirering Manny Ramerez. I guess there were talks a few weeks back about Manny's high interest in playing for Ozzie Guillen.

Todd Helton is an awesome offensive player. And at the Cell he has the capabilities of putting up big #s. However, he is no Pauly. But not a bad 2nd option to have- JUST IN CASE!

 

Todd Helton is no Paul Konerko? You're saying that PK is better than Todd Helton?

[suffering-nomore-sox fan]

Helton is a damn good player but has an albatross of a contract.

[fathom]

Helton is a damn good player but has an albatross of a contract.

 

And so might PK in a few weeks. If a team signs him to 5/65, they're going to regret it.

[SSH2005]

And so might PK in a few weeks.  If a team signs him to 5/65, they're going to regret it.

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What would be the best option in your opinion? A trade for Thome or giving the job to Gload? Just curious on what you want to see the Sox to do.

[fathom]

What would be the best option in your opinion?  A trade for Thome or giving the job to Gload?  Just curious on what you want to see the Sox to do.

 

If you can sign PK to 4 yr/52 mil, that's great. I wouldn't give him a 5th year. In my opinion, the Sox shouldn't bring back Frank next year. I love him, but you just can't trust him to stay healthy. If you do bring back PK for so much money, you then make sure you resign guys like AJP and Garland, and look for some cheaper replacements at DH. An idea that I was thinking of platooning players at DH, with something like Gload or someone like Todd Walker vs righties, and Eduardo Perez vs lefties. I think people have significantly overstated how much money the Sox would have to spend this offseason though.

 

Let me add this thought also: If PK takes more money to go elsewhere, I won't lose a single second of sleep over it. If anything, it would make me pretty excited to see what else KW might do. It would make things much easier though if KW doesn't have to give up a pitcher to replace the 1B in a trade.

Edited November 11, 2005 by fathom

[SSH2005]

If you can sign PK to 4 yr/52 mil, that's great.  I wouldn't give him a 5th year.  In my opinion, the Sox shouldn't bring back Frank next year.  I love him, but you just can't trust him to stay healthy.  If you do bring back PK for so much money, you then make sure you resign guys like AJP and Garland, and look for some cheaper replacements at DH.  An idea that I was thinking of platooning players at DH, with something like Gload or someone like Todd Walker vs righties, and Eduardo Perez vs lefties.  I think people have significantly overstated how much money the Sox would have to spend this offseason though.

 

Let me add this thought also:  If PK takes more money to go elsewhere, I won't lose a single second of sleep over it.  If anything, it would make me pretty excited to see what else KW might do.  It would make things much easier though if KW doesn't have to give up a pitcher to replace the 1B in a trade.

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The Cubs are going to trade Todd Walker for a reliever or in a package for an outfielder. We won't be getting him. Eduardo Perez? You can't be serious. Just don't look at his career numbers. :puke

[fathom]

The Cubs are going to trade Todd Walker for a reliever or in a package for an outfielder.  We won't be getting him.  Eduardo Perez?  You can't be serious.  Just don't look at his career numbers.  :puke

 

Perez has hammered lefties the last couple of years. If we sign PK, it's likely going to be very difficult to afford a power hitting DH also. Thus, that's the reason for the possible platoon with two guys who are very good against rhp/lhp. Todd Walker's value is going to be extremely low now since all teams know that the Cubs have no intention on bringing him back.

[SSH2005]

Perez has hammered lefties the last couple of years.  If we sign PK, it's likely going to be very difficult to afford a power hitting DH also.  Thus, that's the reason for the possible platoon with two guys who are very good against rhp/lhp.  Todd Walker's value is going to be extremely low now since all teams know that the Cubs have no intention on bringing him back.

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I don't really buy that about Walker. He still has a lot of value because he is a great stick and makes barely anything ($2.5 million). By the way, Eduardo Perez is 36 years old. I'd rather bring Frank back very cheaply, hope he can stay healthy, and have Gload as a backup DH/1B.

[fathom]

I don't really buy that about Walker.  He still has a lot of value because he is a great stick and makes barely anything ($2.5 million).  By the way, Eduardo Perez is 36 years old.  I'd rather bring Frank back very cheaply, hope he can stay healthy, and have Gload as a backup DH/1B.

 

Even though I gave my suggestions, I think the most likely scenario is PK signs with the Red Sox, Gload isn't brought back, and Frank signs for about 2.5 mil. Of course, I still stand by my blind prediction from 5 months ago that Carlos Pena will be the starting 1B for the 2006 White Sox (no reasoning for that psychic vision).

 

BTW, I know people suggest that if PK leaves, we should use guys like Rowand, Duque, and Marte to try and trade for a new 1B. I think a trade chip that should really be used is Politte, who on a team like the Tigers might think he can be a closer. We can make Steff happy, and sign Urbina then.

[SSH2005]

Even though I gave my suggestions, I think the most likely scenario is PK signs with the Red Sox, Gload isn't brought back, and Frank signs for about 2.5 mil.  Of course, I still stand by my blind prediction from 5 months ago that Carlos Pena will be the starting 1B for the 2006 White Sox (no reasoning for that psychic vision).

 

BTW, I know people suggest that if PK leaves, we should use guys like Rowand, Duque, and Marte to try and trade for a new 1B.  I think a trade chip that should really be used is Politte, who on a team like the Tigers might think he can be a closer.  We can make Steff happy, and sign Urbina then.

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If Konerko leaves and Frank is re-signed, Gload will be brought back as protection in case of another injury to Frank. Unless the Tigers cut Carlos Pena and we sign him, he won't be on our team. The Sox aren't going to trade Politte either, and definately not to a team in our division. Also, here is a quote about Konerko and the Red Sox:

 

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/ds.../pro/101sd1.htm

 

"The Los Angeles Angels are rumored to be a strong suitor for Konerko's services, as is Boston. The Daily Southtown reported last month, however, the Red Sox are an unlikely destination for Konerko. According to one White Sox player, Konerko had told several teammates he had no desire to play for Boston.

 

"We were kidding with Paulie after the Boston series (the AL Division Series) that he'd better get used to playing in Fenway Park, and he said, 'You won't have to worry about that,' " the player said."

[Soxfest]

Sorry if this is elsewhere, KW leaning toward Gload as plan B ??

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sox10.html

 

 

For KW to even say Gload is an everyday 1st base option is a joke.

[Rowand44]

Even though I gave my suggestions, I think the most likely scenario is PK signs with the Red Sox, Gload isn't brought back, and Frank signs for about 2.5 mil.  Of course, I still stand by my blind prediction from 5 months ago that Carlos Pena will be the starting 1B for the 2006 White Sox (no reasoning for that psychic vision).

 

BTW, I know people suggest that if PK leaves, we should use guys like Rowand, Duque, and Marte to try and trade for a new 1B.  I think a trade chip that should really be used is Politte, who on a team like the Tigers might think he can be a closer.  We can make Steff happy, and sign Urbina then.

PK won't be on the red sox, I'll guarantee you that. I highly doubt Cliff gets traded and Uggy won't be brought in either.

[SSH2005]

For KW to even say Gload is an everyday 1st base option is a joke.

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He's just saying that to cover all of his bases. If Konerko leaves, the Phillies and the Marlins would try to gouge Kenny for Thome and Delgado.

[YASNY]

He's just saying that to cover all of his bases.  If Konerko leaves, the Phillies and the Marlins would try to gouge Kenny for Thome and Delgado.

 

Agreed. That's just KW being PC with and about one of his ballplayers. I don't think KW seriously considers Gload a viable replacement for PK.

[SSH2005]

Agreed.  That's just KW being PC with and about one of his ballplayers.  I don't think KW seriously considers Gload a viable replacement for PK.

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I think Gload would be Kenny's ultimate fall-back plan if he can't re-sign Konerko or trade for a guy like Delgado, Thome, or Overbay. I do think Frank will be back and Gload will be in our organization to serve as injury insurance for Frank.