Kris Honel question

[AddisonStSox]

Putting a Kris Honel question in here. Sorry, Mr. Bullard.

 

Still considered a non-prospect?

 

Does he have any value in.....say.......I dunno........a trade to a team like the Rangers?

[Gene Honda Civic]

Still a prospect. You might see him get taken late in the Rule 5 draft, though I doubt it. -- He could still make it, but it looks pretty doubtful at this point.

[aboz56]

No longer a prospect in my view until he shows some of the stuff he showed during his first season or so of pro ball.

 

Even at that, it'll be hard for him to get a shot with the Sox because there are a ton of pitchers ahead of him on the depth chart at this point.

 

He is a longshot if you ask me but stranger things have and will happen.

[DBAHO]

I've still got hope. He had a nice run down at B-Ham for about a month putting together about 5 or 6 out of 7 quality starts.

 

But with the other SP prospects in our system, I doubt we'll ever see him with the White Sox.

[Chisoxfn]

I hope he stays in the organization this year. He made some really positive strides at the end of last season and really seemed to be getting his stuff and more importantly his confidence back.

 

This will be THE key year in his development. He pitches like he did a few years back and he's back on the map, if he doesn't, he'll probably be in another organization by years end (if not sooner).

[aboz56]

I hope he stays in the organization this year.  He made some really positive strides at the end of last season and really seemed to be getting his stuff and more importantly his confidence back. 

 

This will be THE key year in his development.  He pitches like he did a few years back and he's back on the map, if he doesn't, he'll probably be in another organization by years end (if not sooner).

Don't lie, you never really liked Honel as a prospect.

 

 

BTW, I'm still taking Gio over Haigwood.

[GoodAsGould]

from BHam's reports it seems that while he had a shaky year it was 1 on the path of recovery.... So im really reserving judgement on how he does this season.

[JDsDirtySox]

Kris Honel actually lives in my neighborhood. I saw him on Saturday and he is doing really good. He said he feels great, and can't wait to start fresh this season. He made no mention to the thought of getting picked up in the rule 5 draft. I really think he will boucne back strong this year... hopefully its in the White Sox organization.

[aboz56]

Kris Honel actually lives in my neighborhood.  I saw him on Saturday and he is doing really good.  He said he feels great, and can't wait to start fresh this season.  He made no mention to the thought of getting picked up in the rule 5 draft.  I really think he will boucne back strong this year... hopefully its in the White Sox organization.

Do us all a favor, go play catch with him and give us a report on his velocity.

 

 

Thanks for the info, BTW.

[Chisoxfn]

Don't lie, you never really liked Honel as a prospect.

 

 

BTW, I'm still taking Gio over Haigwood.

Your right on that. That said, I never ever ever root against anyone in the system (But you know that). I just always thought he was over-rated.

 

We'll see on Gio and Haigwood. I really like Haig though. He just knows how to pitch and I love his off-speed stuff. I think both are really good, my only question about Gio is his durability. If he's healthy I think he has a shot to be a #2 pitcher (at best). I think Haigwood probably has a little less upside (but for some reason I really like him turning into a really good pitcher).

[aboz56]

Your right on that.  That said, I never ever ever root against anyone in the system (But you know that).  I just always thought he was over-rated. 

 

We'll see on Gio and Haigwood.  I really like Haig though.  He just knows how to pitch and I love his off-speed stuff.  I think both are really good, my only question about Gio is his durability.  If he's healthy I think he has a shot to be a #2 pitcher (at best).  I think Haigwood probably has a little less upside (but for some reason I really like him turning into a really good pitcher).

Well your prediction has been better than mine so far as I liked Honel as a #2 or #3 at the big league level.

 

I think you are right on Haigwood although I've never seen him, that's what I've heard a lot of people say. I guess he would project to be a bottom of the rotation type guy. As far as Gio goes, he has far greater potential, which if he reaches it, could turn out to be a very, very good ML pitcher. He can't keep getting nagging injuries though.

[Hatchetman]

is he eligible for rule 5?

[aboz56]

is he eligible for rule 5?

As I understand it, yes.

 

Here are the "rules" for the Rule 5 from Baseball America (this article is old so the thing about the Twins having first pick is wrong):

 

Major league teams must protect players on their 40-man rosters within three or four years of their original signing. Those left unprotected are available to other teams as Rule 5 picks.

 

Players who were 18 or younger on June 5 preceding the signing of their first contract must be protected after four minor league seasons. Players 19 and older must be protected after three seasons.

 

But here's the kicker: To prevent teams from drafting players willy-nilly, each Rule 5 pick must be kept in the major leagues the entire following season or be offered back to his former team for half of the $50,000 selection price. Few players are ready for such a jump, so only about 10-15 get picked each year. Fewer still last the whole season in the big leagues.

 

"They have to keep a guy for the whole year, so a lot of teams are safe," says Paul Snyder, the Braves' director of scouting and player development. "But there have been kids drafted out of A-ball.

 

"A few years ago (in 1984) Toronto got two guys (Lou Thornton and Manny Lee) who could pinch-run and play defense. They're easier to carry in the American League because there aren't as many pitching changes."

 

Other miscellaneous Rule 5 rules and tidbits:

 

    * The "Rule 5" moniker comes from its place in the Professional Baseball Agreement. The June draft, for instance, is Rule 4.

    * Teams must file their 40-man rosters by Nov. 20, and only those not at the full allotment of 40 may select players.

    * Teams select in reverse order of that season's finish, with the American and National leagues alternating the No. 1 pick from year to year. The Twins have the first pick this year, followed by the Marlins (who can't pick as their roster stands at 40).

    * Since 1950, selections have included a low of three players in 1974 and a high of 24 in 1994. The selection price was increased in 1985 to $50,000 from $25,000.

    * There are Triple-A and Double-A segments of the Rule 5 draft, with price tags of $12,000 and $4,000 respectively. Minor league players not protected on the reserve lists at the Double-A and Class A levels are subject to selection, but almost no future big leaguers emerge from this process. It's basically a tool for major league teams to fill out affiliates rather than obtain talent.

    * In 1988, the Braves drafted a player from themselves. They neglected to protect righthander Ben Rivera on the 40-man roster, had the first pick in the draft and took him.

    * Players from the 1998 Rule 5 draft to stick all year include Pirates lefthander Scott Sauerbeck, Blue Jays catcher Alberto Castillo (acquired this month in a trade from the Cardinals) and Astros outfielder Glen Barker.