Ozzie wants a new #2 hitter

[AnthraxFan93]

That trade would be awful...

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I agree giving up a OF that has upside, for one on the downside IMO

[RockRaines]

I agree with that, but you know KW and Ozzie want more speed, and Pierre's one of the few marquee speed guys who's available.

eh, is it really worth that trade? Think of the strengths of this team, chemistry, defense, attitude, budget.

 

I still think that Ozzie's quote means he is considering Jerrry Owens.

[NorthSideSox72]

I still think that Ozzie's quote means he is considering Jerrry Owens.

 

Maybe he is thinking about moving Dye to DH (replacing FT), Owens into the OF? Leaving a DH who is also the 4th OF, like 2005? Maybe not a bad idea, if Owens is ready. Didn't someone say earlier that he is hitting for some ridicluous average in winter ball right now?

[RockRaines]

Maybe he is thinking about moving Dye to DH (replacing FT), Owens into the OF?  Leaving a DH who is also the 4th OF, like 2005?  Maybe not a bad idea, if Owens is ready.  Didn't someone say earlier that he is hitting for some ridicluous average in winter ball right now?

408 I believe. He is either our leadoff hitter of the future, or a decent #2. He is a slap hitter, who gets on base with speed. Pretty good option I think.

[southsideirish]

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 08:49 PM)

Are you nuts?  Why would you move the best shortstop in the AL?, thats right, he deserved the GG more than anyone else.  And now you are talking about putting him on the bench?  Are you kidding me?  Where do you get off calling yourself a sox fan while you know nothing about this team?  Please tell me where Uribe deserves to get moved from starting to being a sub?  Please enlighten us all.  And me and you can put down a gentlemans bet that if uribe starts at SS for the sox next year you owe me cubs/sox tickets and vice versa.  Your theories are unfounded and ridiculous, I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.

 

The sox have NO need for furcal or Gonzalez for that matter.  We have a young, cheap, GG caliber SS who is one of the leaders of this team.

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Sorry it took me so long to get back and post to you. I was looking up the best place to get you some valium.

 

Seriously though. Where did I say that I wanted to replace him. I said that is what I think Ozzie wants and what the Sox will do. Did I say I agreed? No, I just said what I think they will do. It makes the team very deep. I remember during the trade deadline that there were rumors of Alex Gonzalez coming here. I don't remember exactly, but I believe Alex Gonzalez had some favorable comments about Ozzie and that he would like to play for him.

 

Now can you please point out to me where I said that I wanted this to happen or that I think it should happen? Where did I say that I agreed with such a move? I just gave an opinion on what I think will happen. That is all. Now calm down little guy. You can go on with your bad self and buy your own Cubs/Sox tickets for yourself and your boyfriend. Don't worry about me.

 

By the way, you are definitely not a bigger Sox fan than I am. I am not saying I am bigger than you, but don't ever claim that I am not. Instead, why don't you try reading EXACTLY what is there instead of reading into things that aren't.

 

Nice chatting with you.

[RockRaines]

Sorry it took me so long to get back and post to you. I was looking up the best place to get you some valium.

 

Seriously though. Where did I say that I wanted to replace him. I said that is what I think Ozzie wants and what the Sox will do. Did I say I agreed? No, I just said what I think they will do. It makes the team very deep. I remember during the trade deadline that there were rumors of Alex Gonzalez coming here. I don't remember exactly, but I believe Alex Gonzalez had some favorable comments about Ozzie and that he would like to play for him.

 

Now can you please point out to me where I said that I wanted this to happen or that I think it should happen? Where did I say that I agreed with such a move? I just gave an opinion on what I think will happen. That is all. Now calm down little guy. You can go on with your bad self and buy your own Cubs/Sox tickets for yourself and your boyfriend. Don't worry about me.

 

By the way, you are definitely not a bigger Sox fan than I am. I am not saying I am bigger than you, but don't ever claim that I am not. Instead, why don't you try reading EXACTLY what is there instead of reading into things that aren't.

 

Nice chatting with you.

 

 

Sorry to dissapoint you, but season ticket holders already have cubs/sox tickets. So I am already set. Dont trip over yourself while you are backtracking ok?

Yeah, I definatley think that the sox are going to trade for a starting SS who is not as good as the cheap on that they have, and have expressed extreme confidence in. And then sit down the better player as well, because Ozzie happened to coach on the same team as the guy. It definatley seems like a move that KW (the Gm of the year in many peoples eyes) would perform. I mean, it displaces a better player, hurts our payroll, and probably gets rid of a decent prospect in the meantime. Yes, sounds good.

 

:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead

 

Usually teams dont trade for another teams starter, who is not as good as their current player, and then sit the better player down. Seriously, who does this? But I see your logic.

 

Uribe>>>>>>>Alex Gonzalez

 

now you know, and learning is half the battle. Thanks for playing.

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[RockRaines]

Gonzalez has a cannon for an arm and has more range than Uribe.

In case you want to use the opinion defense of your claim.

 

AG range factor as SS=4.53

JU RF SS=5.03

 

career

 

 

AND Uribe had a better FP. And more put outs and Assists.

[beck72]

Please, someone build me a business case of why in hell we would supplant probably the best defensive SS in the AL for Alex freakin Gonzalez.

There is no case to be made whatsoever, business or otherwise. Someone is smoking crack

[AngelasDaddy0427]

Heres what I think they should do...

 

Move Rowand into RF, move Anderson into CF, move Dye to 1B, sign or trade for a power bat to DH...

 

Then the lineup for next year looks like this...

 

Pods-LF

Iguchi-2B

Rowand-RF

Power bat- DH

Dye-1B

Anderson-CF

AJ-C

Crede-3B

Uribe-SS

[TLAK]

What a great thread you started beck72! I can't remember the last time I read a whole 10 pager.

 

I want to add one comment; everyone seems focused on the big famous names. But KW and Oz's history is not to go by reputation but rather to identify the role they want filled and find a player willing and able do it

 

Best case in point is Scotty Pods, they took a PR beating trading for him after his '04 season. But I think they were looking at what they could get out of him using him the way they envisioned. His role was to run down balls, get on base, advance and score, something he seemed to get away from in brew town when he tried to slug the ball. Sticking to his role he played great for the Sox.

 

If they do make a trade, we might all say who the hell is this guy? He might be an unknown or someone we think is a bum. But he could be a piece of an '06 plan that we haven't figured out yet.

[kevin57]

Heres what I think they should do...

 

Move Rowand into RF, move Anderson into CF, move Dye to 1B, sign or trade for a power bat to DH...

 

Then the lineup for next year looks like this...

 

Pods-LF

Iguchi-2B

Rowand-RF

Power bat- DH

Dye-1B

Anderson-CF

AJ-C

Crede-3B

Uribe-SS

 

Do you say this because you assume that Konerko is gone...or that he shouldn't be paid the salary figures that are being tossed around, or so other reason?

[fathom]

Heres what I think they should do...

 

Move Rowand into RF, move Anderson into CF, move Dye to 1B, sign or trade for a power bat to DH...

 

Then the lineup for next year looks like this...

 

Pods-LF

Iguchi-2B

Rowand-RF

Power bat- DH

Dye-1B

Anderson-CF

AJ-C

Crede-3B

Uribe-SS

 

Just say no to Rowand in the 3rd hole. Unless we're facing lefties 162 games a season, he should be batting 7th.

[shawnhillegas]

Not going to happen. Crede's a huge part of the sox going forward. And despite his good playoffs, Joe's a .250 hitter. He's not going to get Eric Chavez money. Now, if Joe hits like .280 with 25 hrs and 100 rbi's this year....

 

 

 

i dont see joe hitting much over 260 but i think hes going to be a 30 homer guy....

[shawnhillegas]

Maybe he is thinking about moving Dye to DH (replacing FT), Owens into the OF?  Leaving a DH who is also the 4th OF, like 2005?  Maybe not a bad idea, if Owens is ready.  Didn't someone say earlier that he is hitting for some ridicluous average in winter ball right now?

 

 

why all this owens talk? chris young had 30 steals in AA as well and hes s much better prospect.

[shawnhillegas]

only at soxtalk would i open up a thread about iguchi and see the last post was about alex gonzalez.

 

 

 

but isnt that what makes this site so great?

[AngelasDaddy0427]

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 07:41 PM)

Just say no to Rowand in the 3rd hole.  Unless we're facing lefties 162 games a season, he should be batting 7th.

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When we were at our hottest Rowand was our three hitter almost every game...

 

Also I do expect Konerko to be gone... I just can't see KW giving him a 5 year deal, although I would love to be proved wrong there for sure...

 

Also I expect them to resign Thomas to a minor league deal and if he's healthy enough to be our DH by midseason then we will be a team to look out for down the stretch...

[Kalapse]

When we were at our hottest Rowand was our three hitter almost every game...

 

Also I do expect Konerko to be gone... I just can't see KW giving him a 5 year deal, although I would love to be proved wrong there for sure...

 

Also I expect them to resign Thomas to a minor league deal and if he's healthy enough to be our DH by midseason then we will be a team to look out for down the stretch...

Actually we were 13-1 with Dye hitting 3rd last year. I'd say that's pretty damn hot.

 

Rowand was at his best when batting 5th where he put up a .830 OPS last year though he did hit with a robust .723 OPS in the 3 hole.

[fathom]

When we were at our hottest Rowand was our three hitter almost every game...

 

Also I do expect Konerko to be gone... I just can't see KW giving him a 5 year deal, although I would love to be proved wrong there for sure...

 

 

Rowand had 3 homers in 139 AB out of the 3rd spot. Especially if we lose a 40 homer hitting number 4 hitter, that's unacceptable. Rowand needs to be lower in the order to concentrate on hitting before he becomes the 4th outfielder on the club.

[kevin57]

Wherever Rowand's hitting, someone's got to help him with his pitch choice and swing. He was diving for everything low and outside. He just can't lay off those pitches!

 

I don't recall that being his MO from the beginning, but in the playoffs it was brutal to watch.

[South Side Fireworks Man]

That would be Furcal.

 

Although I think they may want to move Iguchi from second as he is an injury waiting to happen on the doubleplay.  He could be a good DH option.

My thoughts exactly.

[Rowand44]

Wherever Rowand's hitting, someone's got to help him with his pitch choice and swing.  He was diving for everything low and outside.  He just can't lay off those pitches! 

 

I don't recall that being his MO from the beginning, but in the playoffs it was brutal to watch.

He's really done that his whole career.

[beck72]

What a great thread you started beck72!  I can't remember the last time I read a whole 10 pager.

 

I want to add one comment; everyone seems focused on the big famous names.  But KW and Oz's history is not to go by reputation but rather to identify the role they want filled and find a player willing and able do it 

 

Best case in point is Scotty Pods, they took a PR beating trading for him after his '04 season.  But I think they were looking at what they could get out of him using him the way they envisioned.  His role was to run down balls, get on base, advance and score, something he seemed to get away from in brew town when he tried to slug the ball.  Sticking to his role he played great for the Sox.

 

If they do make a trade, we might all say who the hell is this guy?  He might be an unknown or someone we think is a bum.  But he could be a piece of an '06 plan that we haven't figured out yet.

Thanks. I just think the best material for us is given by guys like KW and Ozzie, their comments in the media, etc. It gives a lot of us armchair GM's something to speculate on that probably will happen.

 

I do think the sox will get a proven guy who's had success for the #2 spot. KW admitted to Bob Melvin that he "got lucky", which he did. A lot of moves turned out that could have easily backfired. Now the sox are in a position to improve on a World series champion. They have some money to spend. They have an expanding fan base to keep excited and motivated to come to the ball park. those are some reasons, IMO, that bringing in a proven, consistent guy who fits Ozzie's criteria makes more sense.

 

I also agree that whoever they bring in may have an impact on what the sox look like after the 2006 season. It could mean that someone is on his last yr on the sox [like pods or Dye]. It'll be interesting

[RockRaines]

why all this owens talk?  chris young had 30 steals in AA as well and hes s much better prospect.

Young isnt really a prototypical #2 hitter, he hits with lower avg and more power potential. The spot we were discussing was a replacement in the #2 hole and Owens being a possible in org replacement, does that help?

[JUGGERNAUT]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/battin...&hand=a&pos=all

There's a lot of good names there & options available with what the White Sox have to trade with right now.

 

It's not inconceivable for the White Sox to spend the $$$ in acquiring a speedy SS & moving Uribe to 3B. But it's pretty obvious that such a move would say goodbye to Kong & possibly Crede.

 

I don't think BorASS is as much a plague to the White Sox has he once was. It does his reputation no good to have so many unhappy clients & be shut out by the World Champion White Sox. I think he knows this. I think he knows that getting Crede signed to a long term deal with the White Sox would greatly bolster his credibility & PR around the league. That has to be worth more than a few million he might be able to squeeze out of Crede

by moving him.

[YASNY]

Boras is now suddenly PR conscious? :rolly