Jimbo's Drinker Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 Do the bulls get the Knicks draft pick regardless of the Knicks record. Even a lotter pick?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 The pick is probably protected if it's in the top 3. Meaning if the Knicks end up with one of the top 3 picks, they get to keep the pick. So the Bulls could still recieve the Knick's 1st round pick if it is a lottery pick. Also I believe the Bulls have the option of taking the Knicks '06 pick instead of the '05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 And IIRC the Knicks own someone elses #1 pick, and if the Knicks end up being in the top 3, we would get the other #1 pick that year... or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 It might be a tough transition year for the Bulls, especially with struggling to find an insdie offensive presence..... Chandler has no skill at that end of the floor whatsoever, maybe Sweets can emerge.....anyways, what I'm trying to get at, we are looking at 2 first round picks next year, 1 of them WILL be a lottery pcik form the Knicks. Thanks Isiah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 (edited) From the Bulls official site.... http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/curry_traded_051004.html The important part: In addition, New York conveys to Chicago, New York’s 2006 regular first round draft choice on condition that the pick does not actually go to Utah (due to not being number 26-30) and also on condition that New York receives San Antonio’s 2006 regular first round selection (due to being number 11-30). If New York’s 2006 first round does go to Utah (due to being number 26-30), and New York does receive San Antonio’s 2006 first round pick (due to being number 11-30), New York conveys to Chicago that San Antonio first round selection. I'm guessing that means the Bulls get the Knicks pick as long as the pick isn't 26-30 (which isn't a problem with the Knicks weak team) and as long as the Spurs pick is 11-30 (which it will be since the Spurs will as least make the playoffs). So that would mean the Bulls are 99 percent sure to get the Knicks 1st rounder this year based on how they finish . But I'd appreciate it if somebody could explain to me if I am corect . But either way, getting some sort of 1st rounder along with Sweets (who I really like) and Tim Thomas (I think Skiles WILL get something outta him eventually) isn't too bad for the Bulls at all. Edited November 10, 2005 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 As of right now, i would have to believe the bulls got the better end of this deal, especially when you factor in the financial considerations the bulls put themselves in. Regardless of picks or personel, the Bulls did not have to shell out 2 max contracts this past summer, only one to Tyson Chandler. I think the Bulls are positioning themselves very nicely for a strong run. They will most likely get two 1st round picks next year, and the following year they have the option of swapping draft slots with the Knicks if the Knicks are in better draft position, which is likely with Isiah piloting that ship. I like Pax, I think he does a really good job of evaluating talent for the system that him and Skiles are putting in place. I also think he is really good at getting max value out of his trades, somehow he has fleeced Isiah two years in a row(so it appears) and Skiles has made the Knicks crappy role players into super subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 10, 2005 Share Posted November 10, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 04:37 PM) As of right now, i would have to believe the bulls got the better end of this deal, especially when you factor in the financial considerations the bulls put themselves in. Regardless of picks or personel, the Bulls did not have to shell out 2 max contracts this past summer, only one to Tyson Chandler. I think the Bulls are positioning themselves very nicely for a strong run. They will most likely get two 1st round picks next year, and the following year they have the option of swapping draft slots with the Knicks if the Knicks are in better draft position, which is likely with Isiah piloting that ship. I like Pax, I think he does a really good job of evaluating talent for the system that him and Skiles are putting in place. I also think he is really good at getting max value out of his trades, somehow he has fleeced Isiah two years in a row(so it appears) and Skiles has made the Knicks crappy role players into super subs. The Bulls have enough money to make a run in the FA market after this year I believe, any idea who will be available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 10:54 PM) The Bulls have enough money to make a run in the FA market after this year I believe, any idea who will be available? it's a pretty thin market. ben wallace stands out as an intriguing possibility, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I liked this deal. The people who didn't were mad about the 'inside presence' that was lost, but failed to realize the defensive inside presence was never there, his game was mainly on the offense (for a quarter or two, that is), and Sweetney and Thomas can score, so I don't think that'll be a problem. Even after losing all the weight, what many felt would be the defining move, he still wasn't meeting the expected expectations/potential (sure, he's young and he was progressing, can't deny that), but throw in his attitude and heart, and adios! The only iffy part was the including of AD, but he's also getting older Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 12:00 AM) it's a pretty thin market. ben wallace stands out as an intriguing possibility, though. Arent AL Harrington and Nazr Muhammed both f/a's...... With the amount of cap space we have Id think we can bring them both to Chicago. Muhammed would give us the C we really need. And the Bulls have always seemed to have an interest in Harrington. Add that in with two 1st rounders one possibly top 5 with the Knicks sucking so much... although nothing is definite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:12 PM) Arent AL Harrington and Nazr Muhammed both f/a's...... With the amount of cap space we have Id think we can bring them both to Chicago. Muhammed would give us the C we really need. And the Bulls have always seemed to have an interest in Harrington. Add that in with two 1st rounders one possibly top 5 with the Knicks sucking so much... although nothing is definite. There's actually quite a few big men out there who would appeal to Chicago as FA's. Nene's value will be pretty low, but he'd still be an excellent fit if his knee was back to 100%. Mohammed like you said, plus someone like Kelvin Cato (who I mentioned as a good trade target for the Bulls) as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Also on the Knicks, Peter Vecsey is reporting that the Knicks are going to trade Marbury, possibly to Toronto for Jalen Rose. Man that didn't take long at all did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:19 AM) Also on the Knicks, Peter Vecsey is reporting that the Knicks are going to trade Marbury, possibly to Toronto for Jalen Rose. Man that didn't take long at all did it. Jalen Rose for Stephon Marbury? Isiah just doesnt get it, does he? He is trading for the same model, only 10 years older. I honestly do not understand what Isiah is trying to do in New York, and I really dont think Isiah understands what he is trying to do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 12:12 AM) Arent AL Harrington and Nazr Muhammed both f/a's...... With the amount of cap space we have Id think we can bring them both to Chicago. Muhammed would give us the C we really need. And the Bulls have always seemed to have an interest in Harrington. Add that in with two 1st rounders one possibly top 5 with the Knicks sucking so much... although nothing is definite. Rather have peja than harrington. There is a very good chance that we could sign him. He is friends with skiles and has played under his over in europe. Him showing interest in the past certainly doesn't hurt either. I see us signing peja and a center like nazr... then i see us trading the first rounder and one of deng/nocioni ( most likely nocioni. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Id have a f***ing heart attack if Stojakovic came here. He is my Serbian idol. I love that guy. He signed a Kings hat and a picture for me. Great guy. The best pure shooter in the NBA...yes, better than Ray Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 05:53 PM) Id have a f***ing heart attack if Stojakovic came here. He is my Serbian idol. I love that guy. He signed a Kings hat and a picture for me. Great guy. The best pure shooter in the NBA...yes, better than Ray Allen. But he doesnt play any D. I dont think he would fit in with the bulls system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I really really like Harington....and he's actually tall. Love to see the Bulls get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 06:00 PM) it's a pretty thin market. ben wallace stands out as an intriguing possibility, though. Bulls need clearly need size, but they need a big man with offensive skills to complement Tyson... Ben Wallace does not fill that need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 07:41 AM) Jalen Rose for Stephon Marbury? Isiah just doesnt get it, does he? He is trading for the same model, only 10 years older. I honestly do not understand what Isiah is trying to do in New York, and I really dont think Isiah understands what he is trying to do either. Hit the nail on the head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) Rather have peja than harrington. There is a very good chance that we could sign him. He is friends with skiles and has played under his over in europe. Him showing interest in the past certainly doesn't hurt either. I see us signing peja and a center like nazr... then i see us trading the first rounder and one of deng/nocioni ( most likely nocioni. A course you would Rather have Peja than Harrington... but Peja is going to demand a lot of money and im not sure if we would pay him all of it. Harrington and Mohammed are my realistic players to target.... as for Dbaho I have no interest in Cato at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 08:41 AM) Jalen Rose for Stephon Marbury? Isiah just doesnt get it, does he? He is trading for the same model, only 10 years older. I honestly do not understand what Isiah is trying to do in New York, and I really dont think Isiah understands what he is trying to do either. The sad part is that the Bulls traded Artest AND Brad Miller for jalen rose. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 11:52 PM) The sad part is that the Bulls traded Artest AND Brad Miller for jalen rose. :headshake Why do you remind me of such sad things? In reality though, at that time there was nothing else the Bulls could do. Curry and Chandler were worthless at the time, Artest was becoming more and more combustable and was about to demand a nice contract, and Miller had to go with to equalize the money that was being traded. It sure f***in worked out for Indy, didnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Nov 10, 2005 -> 02:13 PM) It might be a tough transition year for the Bulls, especially with struggling to find an insdie offensive presence..... Chandler has no skill at that end of the floor whatsoever, maybe Sweets can emerge.....anyways, what I'm trying to get at, we are looking at 2 first round picks next year, 1 of them WILL be a lottery pcik form the Knicks. Thanks Isiah. Here , Here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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