Yankees ask about Rowand

[Felix]

.829 with good defense from the center field position isn't good? 

Its fine, but when its in AAA and you want the guy in the majors, I'm not impressed.

 

By the way, in the last minor league season Rowand had (2000 in AA) before he was first called up by the Sox, he had a .758 OPS. 

And look at what he did from 2001-2003..

[maggsmaggs]

Show me anything that would lead you to believe that Anderson is capable of becoming a 25 homer guy.

 

He had 16 in 448 at-bats, so that's basically 20 in a 580 at bat season. So, you don't think he will improve as he gains strength. Also, he had surgery to fix a problem in his wrist or hand, so that will help him improve.

Edited November 12, 2005 by maggsmaggs

[nitetrain8601]

I have seen his offensive numbers, yet I have not seen his defensive numbers.  I trust offensive numbers more than defensive numbers anyway, since basically all defensive stats are flawed.  OPS, on the other hand, seems to be a pretty good way of seeing the productivity of a player on offense.

Have you read what I've said?  If the trade is for a big bat, I can understand it.  I've said this now 4 times in this thread (I consider Thome to be an over the hill, injury prone player however)

 

Thome had one year in which he was injured. I guess nowadays, that makes a player injury prone. :banghead

[Felix]

Thome had one year in which he was injured. I guess nowadays, that makes a player injury prone.  :banghead

One injury can be one too many, especially at his age.

[SSH2005]

Its fine, but when its in AAA and you want the guy in the majors, I'm not impressed.

And look at what he did from 2001-2003..

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So you are happy that Rowand was given a chance to succeed in the majors from 2001-2003 even though in his last season in the minors before being called up he only had a .758 OPS but Anderson needs one more year in the minors because of an .831 OPS?

 

.831 in AAA >>>>> .758 in AA

 

You are contradicting yourself.

Edited November 12, 2005 by SSH2005

[nitetrain8601]

One injury can be one too many, especially at his age.

 

You could say that about anyone at any age. I could understand if he was injured for 3 straight years with the same injury, but he hasn't been. The basis for calling him injury prone is non-existant.

[Felix]

He had 16 in 448 at-bats, so that's basically 20 in a 580 at bat season.  So, you don't think he will improve as he gains strength.  Also, he had surgery to fix a problem in his wrist or hand, so that will help him improve.

Until he fully develops, Anderson is unlikely to have a 580 AB season. In 2006, he would likely be batting at the end of the lineup (8th or 9th), where Uribe hit this year. Uribe had 481 AB's on the year, while Crede, who hit 8th for the most part, had 432 (although he was injured).

[maggsmaggs]

Ask any scout, GM or baseball exec., they will all say Anderson has more potential and most of them would say he is a better player right now. There is a reason, he was the Sox's #1 prospect and 1st round pick, they didn't pick him to repeat AAA after a successful season. Nobody here wants to trade Aaron just because he wasn't as good as 2004, we want to trade him because he can help us acquire a power bat such as Delgado or Helton and because our replacement for him is just as good, if not better.

[Felix]

Ask any scout, GM or baseball exec., they will all say Anderson has more potential and most of them would say he is a better player right now.  There is a reason, he was the Sox's #1 prospect and 1st round pick, they didn't pick him to repeat AAA after a successful season.  Nobody here wants to trade Aaron just because he wasn't as good as 2004, we want to trade him because he can help us acquire a power bat such as Delgado or Helton and because our replacement for him is just as good, if not better.

And again, I think this is the 5th time I've said this, if it is for a big bat, ok, the trade makes sense. If not, if it were for pitching, as some posts earlier on in this thread indicated, it would be a foolish trade.

[witesoxfan]

Have you read what I've said?  If the trade is for a big bat, I can understand it.  I've said this now 4 times in this thread (I consider Thome to be an over the hill, injury prone player however)

 

I've read you say that over and over. It's a bit nauseating when you don't seem to really believe it yourself.

 

You are all for trading Rowand for a big bat, yet you seem to want no part of Anderson starting in CF. Who do you suggest we have start, Timo? JoBo?

 

No one is asking Anderson to be great...but considering he was a little banged up this year, and still managed to put up an .830 OPS in AAA, you gotta like his chances of atleast putting up Rowand type numbers.

 

 

Also, regarding Thome...I don't think he's a .300 50 150 .950 type player anymore...but if he stays healthy, hes almost guaranteed .270 35 120 .875, or better. A lot of players being brought in are brought in because of risk-reward...hell, I'm sure all players being brought in are evaluated using that type of method. Last year, the White Sox entire offseason seemed to be viewed as high-risk, high-reward...either it was going to gel and do amazing things, or it was going to fail miserably and the team would go into a complete rebuild mode by July. In conclusion, I think we're all happy with the results.

[SSH2005]

Aaron Rowand (22 years old, .758 OPS in AA) = Called up by the Sox in 2001.

 

Brian Anderson (23 years old, .831 OPS in AAA) = Not ready for the majors, according to Felix.

 

 

Does that seem screwed up to anyone else?

Edited November 12, 2005 by SSH2005

[Felix]

You are all for trading Rowand for a big bat, yet you seem to want no part of Anderson starting in CF.  Who do you suggest we have start, Timo?  JoBo? 

If we get a big bat, I'm fine with Anderson starting in center. The production in center would basically become a null point if we could get a big bat to DH, so I don't think it would matter.

If Rowand is just traded just for the sake of opening a spot up for Anderson, I think it would be a mistake.

[Felix]

Aaron Rowand (22 years old, .758 OPS in AA) = Called up by the Sox in 2001.

 

Brian Anderson (23 years old, .831 OPS in AAA) = Not ready for the majors, according to Felix.

Does that seem screwed up to anyone else?

You've said this something like three times now. Good job. Would you like a cookie or something?

[fathom]

When evaluating any player, you can only give so much credence to their stats before the 2005 season.

[SSH2005]

You've said this something like three times now.  Good job.  Would you like a cookie or something?

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I just wanted to know how you make sense of that. How could the guy with worse stats in the minors be ready for the majors but the guy with better stats needs one more year of seasoning, according to you?

Edited November 12, 2005 by SSH2005

[Felix]

I just wanted to know how you make sense of that.  How could the guy with worse stats in the minors be ready for the majors but the guy with better stats needs one more year of seasoning, according to you?

Did I say Rowand was ready for the majors in 2001? Because I don't remember those words coming out of my fingers.

 

Oh, and if anyone didn't know.

Aaron Rowand (22 years old, .758 OPS in AA) = Called up by the Sox in 2001.

 

Brian Anderson (23 years old, .831 OPS in AAA) = Not ready for the majors imo

Edited November 12, 2005 by Felix

[maggsmaggs]

If it means anything, Levine was on 1000 and said KW was giddy because teams were willing to talk trade already and Levine says the Sox can afford Delgado and Konerko without a salary dump of sorts.

[nitetrain8601]

If it means anything, Levine was on 1000 and said KW was giddy because teams were willing to talk trade already and Levine says the Sox can afford Delgado and Konerko without a salary dump of sorts.

 

BOTH??

[witesoxfan]

If we get a big bat, I'm fine with Anderson starting in center.  The production in center would basically become a null point if we could get a big bat to DH, so I don't think it would matter.

If Rowand is just traded just for the sake of opening a spot up for Anderson, I think it would be a mistake.

 

I'm not counting on the bat being brought in to DH. I'm assuming the Sox were to lose Konerko here.

 

If the Sox retain Konerko, then it brings it into a whole new light.

[Kalapse]

BOTH??

That would be unreal

[SSH2005]

Did I say Rowand was ready for the majors in 2001?  Because I don't remember those words coming out of my fingers.

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You used Rowand's stats from 2001-2003 after he was called up as justification for why it was a good idea for him to be called up. So if Anderson put up better numbers in the minors than Rowand, why couldn't he equal or even outproduce Rowand if he was given the same chance?

[Felix]

I'm not counting on the bat being brought in to DH.  I'm assuming the Sox were to lose Konerko here.

 

If the Sox retain Konerko, then it brings it into a whole new light.

I've been under the assumption that the Sox hold onto Konerko, although I might be wrong.

 

Nice sig (the Cy Young part )

[Felix]

You used Rowand's stats from 2001-2003 after he was called up as justification for why it was a good idea for him to be called up.

No, I didn't. Look at his numbers in 2002 when he played over 100 games and had 300+ AB's. Is that really justification?

You misinterpreted my post.

 

Oh yea, and if anyone missed it:

Aaron Rowand (22 years old, .758 OPS in AA) = Called up by the Sox in 2001.

 

Brian Anderson (23 years old, .831 OPS in AAA) = Not ready for the majors imo.

[Gene Honda Civic]

BOTH??

I believe (just my gut feeling) that the starting point for our payroll is about $90M next year.

[SSH2005]

If it means anything, Levine was on 1000 and said KW was giddy because teams were willing to talk trade already and Levine says the Sox can afford Delgado and Konerko without a salary dump of sorts.

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Once again showing that Levine knows nothing. Levine needs to lay off the crack. He's been wrong countless times before. Did Reinsdorf just raise the payroll by $25 million or something?