Yankees ask about Rowand

[Felix]

If it means anything, Levine was on 1000 and said KW was giddy because teams were willing to talk trade already and Levine says the Sox can afford Delgado and Konerko without a salary dump of sorts.

Think of all the HR they each would hit in The Cell.. :drool:

[Gene Honda Civic]

Once again showing that Levine knows nothing.  Levine needs to lay off the crack.  He's been wrong countless times before.  Did Reinsdorf just raise the payroll by $25 million or something?

Look, attendence was up 20%.

We hosted 6 playoff games, during which the Sox weren't required to pay rent/split amenities with the ISFA.

We split MLBs take for all the division series between 12 teams.

We split MLB's take for the LCS between 4 teams.

We split MLB's take for the World series with the Astros.

In each of the last 3-4 years, the Sox have put profit (as listed by Forbes) directly back into payroll.

[nitetrain8601]

Once again showing that Levine knows nothing.  Levine needs to lay off the crack.  He's been wrong countless times before.  Did Reinsdorf just raise the payroll by $25 million or something?

 

Yeah, I doubt this would happen. I really don't see it. I think Thomas will be our DH next year with PK or Delgado as our 1B. I doubt our payroll just got jacked up that high in just one season. Usually, that would happen the offseason after the year we won the World Series because the season after the WS season is when teams really reap the benefits of winning the championship.

[SSH2005]

Look, attendence was up 20%.

We hosted 6 playoff games, during which the Sox weren't required to pay rent/split amenities with the ISFA.

We split MLBs take for all the division series between 12 teams.

We split MLB's take for the LCS between 4 teams.

We split MLB's take for the World series with the Astros.

In each of the last 3-4 years, the Sox have put profit (as listed by Forbes) directly back into payroll.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

All that doesn't mean that Reinsdorf is going to raise the payroll that much. Without a salary dump of some sort, we would need a $100 million payroll to re-sign Konerko for market value and add Delgado via a trade.

[nitetrain8601]

All that doesn't mean that Reinsdorf is going to raise the payroll that much.  Without a salary dump of some sort, we would need a $100 million payroll to re-sign Konerko for market value and add Delgado via a trade.

 

Unless we were to trade A-Row and Damaso of course. I love how Kenny keeps trying, but man, JR and company must be really happy about the WS and must want another if they're willing to open up the wallet that much, that quickly.

 

BTW, anyone have a link for ESPN 1000.

[maggsmaggs]

Once again showing that Levine knows nothing.  Levine needs to lay off the crack.  He's been wrong countless times before.  Did Reinsdorf just raise the payroll by $25 million or something?

Let's say Kong gets $13 million, that's +4 million. Let's say we get Delgado and the Marlins pay $3 million per year of that. Thomas + Evertt last year were making $11 million.

 

Kong = +4 million

Delgado = +13 million

Thomas + Evertt = -11 million

Rowand = -3 million (assuming he's traded for Delgado)

 

Total = + $3 million. Now include raises and Garland + A.J. + Crede arbitrations and such our payroll doesn't increase by that much.

[Gene Honda Civic]

All that doesn't mean that Reinsdorf is going to raise the payroll that much.  Without a salary dump of some sort, we would need a $100 million payroll to re-sign Konerko for market value and add Delgado via a trade.

Can I see those numbers? I'm not trying to be an ass. I just don't have the Sox projected payroll for '06 at hand, and think that Kong and Delgado can be put on the same roster for under 95M

[Kalapse]

I believe (just my gut feeling) that the starting point for our payroll is about $90M next year.

If we kept Konerko and added Delgado, next years payroll would be roughly $100M (this includes estimated salaries of: Pierz, Crede, Gload, Harris, Viz, BMac, Cotts, Jenks, Garland, Anderson and Konerko) without subtracting any player's salary from the current 25 man roster.

 

subtract rowand's $3.25 and the payroll = $96.75

 

subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries of ($3.25M + $2.25M) $5.5M and the payroll = $94.5M

 

I really don't see this as being realistic.

[maggsmaggs]

Linkie for ESPN 1000:

 

http://espnradio1000.com/

 

then go to listen live and I think other Local programming to listen. BTW, Levine is gone.

[SSH2005]

If we kept Konerko and added Delgado, next years payroll would be roughly $100M (this includes estimated salaries of: Pierz, Crede, Gload, Harris, Viz, BMac, Cotts, Jenks, Garland, Anderson and Konerko) without subtracting any player's salary from the current 25 man roster.

 

subtract rowand's $3.25 and the payroll = $96.75

 

subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries of ($3.25M + $2.25M) $5.5M and the payroll = $94.5M

 

I really don't see this as being realistic.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I just estimated that it would be around $100 million to keep Konerko and add Delgado. Thanks for doing all of the work for me.

[maggsmaggs]

If we kept Konerko and added Delgado, next years payroll would be roughly $100M (this includes estimated salaries of: Pierz, Crede, Gload, Harris, Viz, BMac, Cotts, Jenks, Garland, Anderson and Konerko) without subtracting any player's salary from the current 25 man roster.

 

subtract rowand's $3.25 and the payroll = $96.75

 

subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries of ($3.25M + $2.25M) $5.5M and the payroll = $94.5M

 

I really don't see this as being realistic.

 

Got to figure that the Marlins will pay $3 million of the salary. We also lose Evertt and Thomas who combined made $11 million last year.

[nitetrain8601]

Linkie for ESPN 1000:

 

http://espnradio1000.com/

 

then go to listen live and I think other Local programming to listen.  BTW, Levine is gone.

 

Thanks. I'll use it now because there really isn't much on tv.

[Gene Honda Civic]

If we kept Konerko and added Delgado, next years payroll would be roughly $100M (this includes estimated salaries of: Pierz, Crede, Gload, Harris, Viz, BMac, Cotts, Jenks, Garland, Anderson and Konerko) without subtracting any player's salary from the current 25 man roster.

 

subtract rowand's $3.25 and the payroll = $96.75

 

subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries of ($3.25M + $2.25M) $5.5M and the payroll = $94.5M

 

I really don't see this as being realistic.

:droolingsmilie

 

Like I said, in my gut, I see the starting point being at $90M. Before you even listed that figure with Rowand and Marte subtracted, I thought the ceiling was about $95M.

 

There was a really crappy article by Mark Gonzales yesterday or today in the trib, saying the Sox would have trouble affording Konerko with the other contracts they had to pick up. I just laughed.

 

Payroll, within reason, is not going to be an issue this season.

[Kalapse]

Got to figure that the Marlins will pay $3 million of the salary.  We also lose Evertt and Thomas who combined made $11 million last year.

The $11M was taken into consideration. The figures are extremely realistic becuase the players salaries for the '06 season were used (though some had to be estimated). You can figure in the $3m if you want and it's still over $90M.

 

The actual team payroll came out to $100.605M for next year with Delgado, Kong, Rowand and Marte all added to the payroll.

[SSH2005]

Do people really believe our payroll is going to raise from $75 million to $95 - $100 million?

Edited November 12, 2005 by SSH2005

[maggsmaggs]

If we could add Delgado, it would be so sweet. Not only are we getting a guy whose season average is .284 ave, .393 OPB, .559 Slug, .952 OPS, 38 HR and 121 RBI's, he would also be chasing 400 homers which could boost attention and attendance. He would instantly make us favorites for the series again if we had both Kong and Delgado.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Do people really believe our payroll is going to raise from $75 million to $95 to $100 million?

No, I believe our payroll is going to increase to 90+M

[fathom]

Um, are some people forgetting what we'd have to give up to get Delgado? It would probably cost the Sox Contreras, and put us without a 5th starter again.

[Kalapse]

I estimated the amounts for these players:

 

Pierz: $4

Crede: $2.5 ARB

Gload: $400K

Harris: $400K

Viz: $1.5

BMac: $400K

Cotts: $400K

Jenks: $350K

Garland: $7

Anderson: $350K

Kong: $13M

 

+Delgado: $13.5

 

The team payroll came out to $99.252M

 

then you could subtract Rowand ($3.25) and Marte's ($2.25) salaries

 

A lot of the $400K players could be less next season.

Edited November 12, 2005 by Kalapse

[nitetrain8601]

Um, are some people forgetting what we'd have to give up to get Delgado?  It would probably cost the Sox Contreras, and put us without a 5th starter again.

 

I don't think so. The Cubs, even though the Marlins want Pie, will most likely give up Rich Hill(a starter with lots of upside) for Pierre. That leaves the Marlins needing a CFer (Rowand). They also need relievers to bridge the gap between their starters and Todd Jones(assuming they resign him) which would be Damaso. Now we might have to throw in a prospect like Rogo, but I would be fine with that considering we would have Delgado and Kong.

[maggsmaggs]

Um, are some people forgetting what we'd have to give up to get Delgado?  It would probably cost the Sox Contreras, and put us without a 5th starter again.

Well, part of the reason they are trying to trade Delgado is for salary dump so they can get a FA starter like Weaver or Millwood. So I don't think it's unrealistic to think: Rowand, Marte and Tracey for Delgado. Maybe a little better than Tracey, but certainly Kenny will not trade the big 5 starters.

[nitetrain8601]

I estimated the amounts for these players:

 

Pierz: $4

Crede: $3.5

Gload: $400K

Harris: $400K

Viz: $1.5

BMac: $400K

Cotts: $400K

Jenks: $350K

Garland: $7

Anderson: $350K

Kong: $13M

 

+Delgado: $13.5

 

The team payroll came out to $100.325M

 

then you could subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries

 

A lot of the $400K players could be less next season.

 

Crede will get 2.5 max. He won't jump up 3 million from his current contract, I can guarentee that. Garland will receive 6.5 IMHO.

[maggsmaggs]

I estimated the amounts for these players:

 

Pierz: $4

Crede: $3.5

Gload: $400K

Harris: $400K

Viz: $1.5

BMac: $400K

Cotts: $400K

Jenks: $350K

Garland: $7

Anderson: $350K

Kong: $13M

 

+Delgado: $13.5

 

The team payroll came out to $100.325M

 

then you could subtract Rowand and Marte's salaries

 

A lot of the $400K players could be less next season.

 

No way in hell is Crede worth $3.5 million, even though you are probably right in what he will get. But, when Borass is the agent, we will be ripped in arbitration.

[fathom]

I don't think so. The Cubs, even though the Marlins want Pie, will most likely give up Rich Hill(a starter with lots of upside) for Pierre. That leaves the Marlins needing a CFer (Rowand). They also need relievers to bridge the gap between their starters and Todd Jones(assuming they resign him) which would be Damaso. Now we might have to throw in a prospect like Rogo, but I would be fine with that considering we would have Delgado and Kong.

 

Patterson will also be included in any Pierre deal, and he'll be their CF. Rowand, Marte, and Rogo are not enough to get Delgado, let alone have the Marlins pay some of his contract. Don't forget that the Marlins love Contreras and that they think he'd be a hit with the Cubans by playing in Florida.

[nitetrain8601]

No way in hell is Crede worth $3.5 million, even though you are probably right in what he will get.  But, when Borass is the agent, we will be ripped in arbitration.

 

He'll get no more than 2.5 million.