Yankees ask about Rowand

[Kalapse]

Crede will get 2.5 max. He won't jump up 3 million from his current contract, I can guarentee that. Garland will receive 6.5 IMHO.

I'm assuming Crede is given a 3yr deal. Though you correct in arb. Crede would not realistically jump to $3M+.

[Gene Honda Civic]

Um, are some people forgetting what we'd have to give up to get Delgado?  It would probably cost the Sox Contreras, and put us without a 5th starter again.

Yeah, perhaps more important that arguing about what we think the payroll will be next season. We should be asking about what FLA would be looking to get for Delgado.

 

You know that Baltimore is going to come calling, and FLA is going to want some young pitching from them. -- The Sox would have to match that offer to even start the Kong/Delgado duo in motion.

[nitetrain8601]

Patterson will also be included in any Pierre deal, and he'll be their CF.  Rowand, Marte, and Rogo are not enough to get Delgado, let alone have the Marlins pay some of his contract.  Don't forget that the Marlins love Contreras and that they think he'd be a hit with the Cubans by playing in Florida.

 

Patterson wouldn't have to be included. In fact, the Marlins would prefer his contract to be kept out of any potential deal. Hill would be the guy in the deal. We fill two of their needs and give them a 1B prospect who could fill the hole in 2 years. So basically, we're giving them what they need(not luxuries) for a guy they need to get rid of because of his big contract.

 

I don't think Contreras is needed in the deal at all.

[fathom]

Patterson wouldn't have to be included. In fact, the Marlins would prefer his contract to be kept out of any potential deal. Hill would be the guy in the deal. We fill two of their needs and give them a 1B prospect who could fill the hole in 2 years. So basically, we're giving them what they need(not luxuries) for a guy they need to get rid of because of his big contract.

 

I don't think Contreras is needed in the deal at all.

 

Any Pierre deal to the Cubs will almost definitely include Patterson in it. Patterson's contact you mention? I've never heard anyone mention anything about it be a problem. I guarantee you that they could get a MUCH better deal for Delgado than 3 players like the ones mentioned.

[DBAHO]

Do people really believe our payroll is going to raise from $75 million to $95 - $100 million? 

I think it'll be b/w the 90-95M mark. The Sox have shown over the past 5 years, they'll put moneu back into the payroll, it's risen every year.

 

With all the factors in play, e.g attendance, world series revenue, it's very, very possible, depending on the right guys out there like Delgado could be had for the right price.

[nitetrain8601]

Any Pierre deal to the Cubs will almost definitely include Patterson in it.  Patterson's contact you mention?  I've never heard anyone mention anything about it be a problem.  I guarantee you that they could get a MUCH  better deal for Delgado than 3 players like the ones mentioned.

 

Oh really? Enlighten me as who they could get that would equal that package? Keep in mind that the team has to be willing to take that contract(at least 13 mil). The only way any deal with Pierre includes Patterson is if Lowell is thrown in. The Marlins don't want to take on more contracts than they have to.

[fathom]

If the Marlins GM ends up trading Delgado and Pierre for Rich Hill, Rowand, Marte, and Rogo......then he should win the award for worse executive ever. Hell, maybe we can throw in Vizcaino in the deal, and get Miguel Cabrera!

[fathom]

Oh really? Enlighten me as who they could get that would equal that package? Keep in mind that the team has to be willing to take that contract(at least 13 mil). The only way any deal with Pierre includes Patterson is if Lowell is thrown in. The Marlins don't want to take on more contracts than they have to.

 

Did I miss Patterson sign a new contract? Last I heard, he's still a financially cheap option. If the Marlins do trade Delgado, they're definitely going to try and get a MLB caliber starting pitcher in the deal.

[nitetrain8601]

If the Marlins GM ends up trading Delgado and Pierre for Rich Hill, Rowand, Marte, and Rogo......then he should win the award for worse executive ever.  Hell, maybe we can throw in Vizcaino in the deal, and get Miguel Cabrera!

 

You didn't answer the question. And BTW, they are trying to shed payroll. Rowand is better than Pierre. Hill is a good pitching prospect who some think is the next Barry Zito which would work in Miami. Marte still is a decent RP, despite him being our worst reliever. Rogo also is a pretty good 1B prospect, but I just threw him in as a prospect. They might want Sean Tracey instead. But it won't take one of our 6 SP's.

[SSH2005]

Did I miss Patterson sign a new contract?  Last I heard, he's still a financially cheap option.  If the Marlins do trade Delgado, they're definitely going to try and get a MLB caliber starting pitcher in the deal.

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Patterson signed a 1 year deal for $2.8 million before last season.

[nitetrain8601]

Did I miss Patterson sign a new contract?  Last I heard, he's still a financially cheap option.  If the Marlins do trade Delgado, they're definitely going to try and get a MLB caliber starting pitcher in the deal.

 

You missed that the Marlins aren't trying to take on extra contracts. They have no need for Patterson which is why he wouldn't be included in a deal unless you're talking about Eric Patterson who would be a viable option to replace Alex Gonzalez.

Edited November 12, 2005 by nitetrain8601

[fathom]

You didn't answer the question. And BTW, they are trying to shed payroll. Rowand is better than Pierre. Hill is a good pitching prospect who some think is the next Barry Zito which would work in Miami. Marte still is a decent RP, despite him being our worst reliever. Rogo also is a pretty good 1B prospect, but I just threw him in as a prospect. They might want Sean Tracey instead. But it won't take one of our 6 SP's.

 

There are going to be a ton of teams in the Delgado sweepstakes if he's available at such a cheap price. Teams like the Dodgers, Orioles, Red Sox, etc. will definitely be interested. Hell, are we even sure he wants to play in Chicago? I know he turned down the Sox last year (even though I know things have changed).

 

I guess all this debate is what we deserve arguing about something that Mr. Zero, Bruce Levine, said.

[Kalapse]

Corey Patterson will be going into his second year of arbitration with Scott Boras as his agent.

 

The Marlins will not want him.

[maggsmaggs]

Kenny won't sacrifice any of the big 5 in our rotation for Delgado or any other hitter minus Pujols and other guys who won't be traded. Kenny knows that he won the WS with pitching and won't compromise that when searching for a LH power hitter.

[fathom]

You missed that the Marlins aren't trying to take on extra contracts. They have no need for Patterson which is why he wouldn't be included in a deal unless you're talking about Eric Patterson who would be a viable option to replace Alex Gonzalez.

 

Eric Patterson = 2B

 

And if they have no need for Patterson, then why would they need Rowand? Rowand has more years left on his contract that C. Patterson does.

[SSH2005]

Corey Patterson will be going into his second year of arbitration with Scott Boras as his agent.

 

The Marlins will not want him.

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They want Felix Pie but the Cubs won't give him up.

Edited November 12, 2005 by SSH2005

[fathom]

Kenny won't sacrifice any of the big 5 in our rotation for Delgado or any other hitter minus Pujols and other guys who won't be traded.  Kenny knows that he won the WS with pitching and won't compromise that when searching for a LH power hitter.

 

I wouldn't say it's so cut and dry that he won't trade one of the 5 starters. I know that many disagree with me on this point, but I think there's a chance that KW will trade either Contreras, Garcia, or Garland this offseason if the offer is something he can't refuse. It's HIGHLY unlikely the Sox would be able to afford both Garland and Contreras after this upcoming season. Their value will likely never be higher, so I don't think KW should just say no chance in hell. Everyone here knows that I would be willing to trade Contreras for a marquee hitter like Dunn or Teixeira.

[nitetrain8601]

There are going to be a ton of teams in the Delgado sweepstakes if he's available at such a cheap price.  Teams like the Dodgers, Orioles, Red Sox, etc. will definitely be interested.  Hell, are we even sure he wants to play in Chicago?  I know he turned down the Sox last year (even though I know things have changed).

 

I guess all this debate is what we deserve arguing about something that Mr. Zero, Bruce Levine, said.

 

There's going to be tons of teams inquiring about him, but there aren't many teams willing to take on his contract. I don't see Boston taking on his contract unless they are able to trade Manny. I also don't think Boston wants to give up top prospects. I think they rather look at SP. Dodgers desperately need to get pitching. They're in no position to trade for Delgado. They also don't have much to give up in terms of prospects. Orioles? They want pitching too. I don't think they're willing to spend cash on upgrading their offense considering it was pretty good last year.

 

He turned down the Sox because he knew he was going to be a FA so he didn't want to bother moving to a city, just so he could move 5 months later to another one. He didn't want to go through the process.

[nitetrain8601]

I wouldn't say it's so cut and dry that he won't trade one of the 5 starters.  I know that many disagree with me on this point, but I think there's a chance that KW will trade either Contreras, Garcia, or Garland this offseason if the offer is something he can't refuse.  It's HIGHLY unlikely the Sox would be able to afford both Garland and Contreras after this upcoming season.  Their value will likely never be higher, so I don't think KW should just say no chance in hell.  Everyone here knows that I would be willing to trade Contreras for a marquee hitter like Dunn or Teixeira.

 

You and Kenny are two different people. I doubt he trades any of our pitching unless it's Garland for Delgado straight up and they pay all of Delgado's contract along with Garland's.

[SSH2005]

I wouldn't say it's so cut and dry that he won't trade one of the 5 starters.  I know that many disagree with me on this point, but I think there's a chance that KW will trade either Contreras, Garcia, or Garland this offseason if the offer is something he can't refuse.  It's HIGHLY unlikely the Sox would be able to afford both Garland and Contreras after this upcoming season.  Their value will likely never be higher, so I don't think KW should just say no chance in hell.  Everyone here knows that I would be willing to trade Contreras for a marquee hitter like Dunn or Teixeira.

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There's no way we would get Teixeira for Contreras. And even if the Rangers would make that trade, Reinsdorf isn't going to want Teixeira when his agent is Boras and he's going to want a 10 year contract for huge money soon.

Edited November 12, 2005 by SSH2005

[fathom]

There's no way we would get Teixeira for Contreras.  And even if the Rangers would make that trade, Reinsdorf isn't going to want Teixeira when his agent his Boras and he's going to want a 10 year contract for huge money soon.

 

I never said we'd get him straight up, but it was a hypothetical situation in which KW shouldn't rule out trading Contreras. I think there's a better chance of getting Dunn in a trade, even though I know a lot of people dislike him on here.

[greg775]

Do you guys want Paul Byrd via free agency and Graff?

 

p.s. hey fathom haven't seen you since we wrapped it up.

Ain't it sweet to be a Sox fan these days? Awesome.

[SSH2005]

Do you guys want Paul Byrd via free agency and Graff?

 

p.s. hey fathom haven't seen you since we wrapped it up.

Ain't it sweet to be a Sox fan these days? Awesome.

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I'd rather keep Ozuna as our utility infielder for next to nothing than pay Graffanino a lot more money. Also, we have absolutely no need for Paul Byrd.

[nitetrain8601]

I'd rather keep Ozuna as our utility infielder for next to nothing than pay Graffanino a lot more money.  Also, we have absolutely no need for Paul Byrd.

 

Correct and correct.

[YASNY]

To all you guys that think Anderson would step in and put up similar numbers to Rowand, let's take a look at something. I'm shocked noone has made this point yet. Jeremy Reed was the next coming superstar before he was included in the Garcia deal. He had a half season of ML experience in 2004 after being shipped to M's. So, how did his 2005 numbers compare to Rowand?

 

Reed - .254 3HR 45RBI .322OBP .352SLG .674OPS

ARow - .270 13HR 69RBI .329OBP .407SLG .736OPS

 

Reed came in below Rowand in every catagory. He was much more ballyhooed as a prospec than Anderson is now. Reed had a half season experience under his belt as well, so he knew what to expect more than Anderson will. I say it's very very possible that Anderson's numbers come in under Jeremy Reed's if he's given CF next year. In fact, Rowand has a better chance of achieving Rowand's 2004 numbers than Anderson has at achieving Rowand's 2005 numbers.