Democrats Losing Race For Funds Under Dean

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Come on, we all know where soldier's loyalties tend to lie, and just like a liberal newspaper has a bias, so do soldiers.  I remember a documentary where each soldier they interviewed in Iraq said they were there was because Saddam struck them, and it was the right fight, so forgive me for being cynical.

 

 

Where DO soldiers loyalties tend to lie? Is it to the Commander in Chief? Hardly. I joined the Army in 1998 and all I heard about those last few years of Clinton was about how everybody despised the man.

[Texsox]

Soldiers are largely Republican.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Soldiers are largely Republican.

 

 

I know that. The reason being is because Republicans have traditionally taken better care of the people in uniform. However, there are a lot of soldiers who think we have no business in Iraq but go anyway because it's their job.

Edited November 16, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[Texsox]

I know that.  The reason being is because Republicans have traditionally taken better care of the people in uniform.  However, there are a lot of soldiers who think we have no business in Iraq but go anyway because it's their job.

 

No argument here.

[kapkomet]

I know that.  The reason being is because Republicans have traditionally taken better care of the people in uniform.  However, there are a lot of soldiers who think we have no business in Iraq but go anyway because it's their job.

Ok Nuke, is my observations wrong? Is my sample of people just that biased? Again, I'm talking about 4 people that I know PERSONALLY. One of them is pretty high up in the Air Force.

 

I just want to know the TRUTH. Not some BS skewed, f***ed up version of what people THINK. The closest source I have to the truth are people who have been there that I know personally, and Kip, they ain't the type of ignorant people that can be fed some line of bull s***. I know what you're saying, and for some privates, that may be true that they can be told things that aren't true. But not in my personal case.

 

Again, I'm asking these questions because I can't understand what's really going on other then what I have experienced first hand.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Ok Nuke, is my observations wrong?  Is my sample of people just that biased?  Again, I'm talking about 4 people that I know PERSONALLY.  One of them is pretty high up in the Air Force. 

 

I just want to know the TRUTH.  Not some BS skewed, f***ed up version of what people THINK.  The closest source I have to the truth are people who have been there that I know personally, and Kip, they ain't the type of ignorant people that can be fed some line of bull s***.  I know what you're saying, and for some privates, that may be true that they can be told things that aren't true.  But not in my personal case.

 

Again, I'm asking these questions because I can't understand what's really going on other then what I have experienced first hand.

 

 

You're not wrong. Like any other segment of the population people in uniform have a variety of viewpoints. By in large we're proud of our service and proud of what we're accomplishing over there. To those who don't have any concept of what it means to be a part of something bigger than yourself that makes us look like a bunch of mindless automotons. We're not, and to label us as such is as insulting as it is wrong

 

It also gets on our nerves when people in the media misrepresent what we're doing over there. Whether they choose to ignore some things in favor of stuff thats not flattering or bring on "experts" who talk about things they would never have been entrusted with when they were in uniform the media does a horrible job of telling the whole story of what's going on there.

Edited November 16, 2005 by NUKE_CLEVELAND

[Rex Kickass]

The reason being is because Republicans have traditionally taken better care of the people in uniform.  However, there are a lot of soldiers who think we have no business in Iraq but go anyway because it's their job.

 

Sadly that's something that merely appears to be true these days.

 

In the last three years, the Bush administration has proposed cutting combat pay and closed dozens of VA Hospitals.

 

Where are veterans' bread buttered? Not with our current government.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Sadly that's something that merely appears to be true these days.

 

In the last three years, the Bush administration has proposed cutting combat pay and closed dozens of VA Hospitals.

 

Where are veterans' bread buttered? Not with our current government.

 

 

Dead wrong on 1 count and debateable on the other.

 

 

We spend far more money on the VA now than we did when Bush took office. The problem is that demand is outstripping those funding increases.

 

 

As far as combat pay goes Secretary Rumsfeld, and Ive been over this before, proposed cutting back combat pays for those who serve is safe locations overseas such as Qatar, Baharian, Kuwait, etc.......etc and using those funds to go to increasing combat pay of soldiers serving in hot zones like Iraq and Afghanistan. Unfortunately that was seen as something it wasn't and never got off the ground.

[Texsox]

Dead wrong on 1 count and debateable on the other.

We spend far more money on the VA now than we did when Bush took office.  The problem is that demand is outstripping those funding increases.

As far as combat pay goes Secretary Rumsfeld, and Ive been over this before, proposed cutting back combat pays for those who serve is safe locations overseas such as Qatar, Baharian, Kuwait, etc.......etc and using those funds to go to increasing combat pay of soldiers serving in hot zones like Iraq and Afghanistan.  Unfortunately that was seen as something it wasn't and never got off the ground.

 

Cost per soldier is going down with the VA under Bush. Perhaps this is another area we could spend money on and not cut taxes?

 

He is doing a fine job of creating more wounded Veterans, maybe we could do a better job of taking care of them?

[JUGGERNAUT]

Again along the lines of religion the Dems are about to be nuked. Have you checked out TBN lately? I check it out about once a month just to see what their selling these days & low & behold I find a good looking blonde preaching to the masses.

 

If this is the trend the Dems have MUCH to fear. There is nothing more captivating for those of us who are proud of our religous heritage than a good looking female preacher. This one in particular has it all: the voice, the energy, & the looks. Her success is sure to lead to a banner crop of followers.

 

As for the fear & hatred thing that is so overblown. The Left hates God, discipline, morality, self-restraint, & the list goes on. Just watch HBO for a week & you can see clearly what the Left is selling. Of course just like everything else associated with the Left HBO's ratings are tumbling as well.

 

HBO had a good thing with the Soprano's & Curb. It appealed to the middle. Both Left & Right. Rome & the other new shoes? Leftist propaganda. They want to show us the excesses of Rome because they lack imagination of enough to envision it PRIVATELY for themselves.

 

The Left is for increasing exhibitionism because thoughts are not enough for them. They can't feel happy unless someone is paying attention to them.

[JUGGERNAUT]

But the Right is no bastion of saint hood either. You are right that they have no real interest to overturn Roe v Wade. But can you blame them?

 

Two thirds of Americans are against abortion & yet support a woman's right to choose. That's a huge voting block that the right can energize around both national & local elections. The Right knows very well all they have to do is appease these people (show an effort) & they will feel more comfortable with the GOP than the Dems.

 

I don't ever forsee Roe V Wade being overturned. The history of the Right has never been about right or wrong. It's about money. Regulation = money. They would put themselves in place (capitalism wise) to benefit from abortion regulation before the regulation ever passes.

 

The same thing can be said just about any issue in America today. The power brokers behind the Right position themselves to benefit from new legislation. That's why we see a general trend of education moving from public government controlled institutions to private enterprise. The same can be said of healthcare, welfare, warfare, etc.

[KipWellsFan]

HBO had a good thing with the Soprano's & Curb. It appealed to the middle. Both Left & Right. Rome & the other new shoes? Leftist propaganda. They want to show us the excesses of Rome because they lack imagination of enough to envision it PRIVATELY for themselves.

 

You are completely on crack Juggs, crack. People on the left and right enjoy Rome for its realism and in general that's what people nowadays like to see. Entertainment of all kinds and even mainstream entertainment will become more open with ideas of sex, violence, and radical politics, that's just the way it's going. Desperate Housewives, Will and Grace, Sex and the City. Entertainment censors are losing the battle, not winning. Rome naturally is not going to be the most popular show in the world and I was quite surprised to even see shows like it and Deadwood on, because I wouldn't think they'd cater towards a mainstream audience.

 

The Left is for increasing exhibitionism because thoughts are not enough for them. They can't feel happy unless someone is paying attention to them.

 

Which tv and radio shows are the most successful for their exhibitionsim? O'Reilly and Rush, both exhibitionist fools. How are their ratings doing? They're obviously slumping because of their exhibitionism right?

 

As for the fear & hatred thing that is so overblown. The Left hates God, discipline, morality, self-restraint, & the list goes on.

 

So are you saying you don't think the left hates these things?

Edited November 16, 2005 by KipWellsFan

[JUGGERNAUT]

Ask yourself two simple questions & this all becomes clear:

1) What do the Dems stand for?

2) What do the GOP stand for?

 

From what we can gather from headlines the Dems stand for:

* a failed education system that continues to fall further behind the other G8's

* a failed healthcare system that is moving towards insolvency

* a failed social security system that is moving towards insolvency

* a failed tax code system that raises the cost of doing business in the USA vs other G8's

* a failed Hollywood agenda to convince the populace that being gay is as normal as tap water

* killing babies

* a failed judicial system that is being swamped & pushed to the breaking point with civil suit litigation.

* a failed Hollywood agenda to make references to religion in the public square taboo. Even Hollywood has abandoned this agenda already.

* a failed Hollywood agenda to make indecency moral

 

Now on the other side of the coin what does the GOP stand for: capitalism.

Seriously, I don't have to write anything else. All of their moral intentions & what not are born of capitalistic reasons. I think this is why as more of America transforms from a producing nation to a consuming nation the masses are becoming even greater capitalists. The closer you align yourself to capitalism the more conservative you will become. Change for the sake of change does not take greater priority in a capitalists life than the acquisition & preservation of wealth.

 

Think about that as it pertains to their individual positions:

* protecting babies : why is this important to the GOP? Abortions kill future tax payers. Illegals don't pay taxes.

* transitioning public education into subsidized private education: competition in the marketplace breeds winners & phases out losers.

* transitions public healthcare into subsidized private healthcare: see above.

* Aligning themselves with religion: Do you really have to ask? Americans love to give money to religious causes because it makes them feel good about themselves. So when one party aligns themselves more or less with those causes & those institutions Americans are more likely to feel good about themselves when supporting them.

* Promote God in the public square & the classroom : Again this is obvious from a capitalistic viewpoint. God represents discipline & order. Something that can be controlled & manipulated in the marketplace with no equal. One of the central tennants of capitalism is to gain control of the marketplace.

 

Now over the past 30 yrs we've seen the Dems gradually embrace capitalism but they have still not evolved to the point where they are comfortable manipulating it. They are still in love with their immorality & their moral relativism to where they don't know how to manipulate it. Thus you have a party with no real identity. The vocal part wants to align itself with the Left. The silent part wants to align itself with the Right. The middle part is like lost sheep not knowing which way to go.

 

What the Dems need to do is follow the Hollywood agenda. Hollywood's gay agenda is alive & kicking. It seems there is no TV show or movie being made that doesn't have some reference to gays. Unlike the rest of the G8 markets Hollywood is no longer portraying them as instruments of comic relief. But at the same time Hollywood is embracing religion & God.

More & more TV shows & movies are incorporating references. So they are using the two vehicles to merge their agenda with America's spiritual populace. You don't see an outwardly embracement of atheism in Hollywood any more.

 

Now of course the Right knows very well what Hollywood is doing & they will make use of it to further demonize the Dems about it. What's ironic about all this is that the people who make the profits off Hollywood are not so far left any more.

 

Twenty years from now conservatives will most likely run Hollywood. Why? Because they are effective managers at manipulating the marketplace: appease the saints, appease the sinners, & demonize those politicians that stand in the way of greater profits.

[Heads22]

As for the fear & hatred thing that is so overblown.  The Left hates God, discipline, morality, self-restraint, & the list goes on.

 

 

I think I'm going to go burn a bible (again) while watching a porno with lesbians (again) cause that's just who I am, dammit.

 

You wonder why you get attacked? Could it possibly be generalizing most people who lean left as something they are not?

[JUGGERNAUT]

I clearly outlined my position as how the two party's are percieved by the headlines. But I can say my personal experience with people of the Left pretty much fits my description of them to the letter.

 

I would like to add though that I'm glad there is still some moral outrage over crooked things on Wall Street & political connections stemming from them. If the day should ever come when are capitalistic ideology sees such actions on commonplace this is not a place I'd want to live in.

 

My fear is that after 30 yrs under a public education system where ethics & morals of what is right & wrong in the marketplace have long since been forgotten that is where the nation is headed. Yes, God at least opens the doors to developing a conscience for such things. Without God in the classroom the fate of the nation rests on each individual's idea of what is ethical or moral. A recipe for disaster.

Edited November 16, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[KipWellsFan]

From what we can gather from headlines the Dems stand for:

* a failed Hollywood agenda to convince the populace that being gay is as normal as tap water

* a failed Hollywood agenda to make references to religion in the public square taboo. Even Hollywood has abandoned this agenda already.

* a failed Hollywood agenda to make indecency moral

 

So you really think that the Dems stand for these things? Do ever really think about hwat you just wrote and realize 'man I make a lot of dumb generalizations, that are ridiculously untrue'.

 

Americans love to give money to religious causes because it makes them feel good about themselves.

 

Well aren't you complimentary of the American people.

 

they are still in love with their immorality

 

Who are you to judge who is moral or not? You haven't a clue. Like people on all those talk shows say "YOU DON'T KNOW ME!".

 

It seems there is no TV show or movie being made that doesn't have some reference to gays.

 

There are gay people in the world get over it!

 

If I ever were to believe a word you say a Democrat without the party having made some major changes will never ever win majorities again in the United States. But considering how evenly divided the country is politically and the idea that we have Conservative Democrats but really no Liberal Republicans leads me to think things are still wide open. I mean if the religious have so much power why not change the name of the party to the Christian Republican party, surely people would be more comfortable to vote CRP than Democratic.

 

With my last post I didn't want to argue about Dems and Repubs, but you went there. What do you have to say about what I said about Rome?

[JUGGERNAUT]

There are less gays in the world than most other demographic & social groups. Do they get equal billing from Hollywood? No. That's why it's an agenda. The fact remains they are an insignificant population with respect to the mainstream. If science has anything to say about it that will become an even greater fact in the years to come.

 

As for any generalizations I make they come from the headlines. If you believe otherwise produce some headlines to the contrary.

[JUGGERNAUT]

What is moral is what promotes kindness, discipline, honor & loyalty in the world.

 

What is immoral is that which promotes the opposite. Pretty simple stuff.

[FlaSoxxJim]

If science has anything to say about it that will become an even greater fact in the years to come.

 

That seems an odd statement. Is there some new eugenics program or supersectret sex reorientation facility being constructed with NSF money I don't know about?

[Heads22]

Including blind loyalty?

[Heads22]

That seems an odd statement.  Is there some new eugenics program or supersectret sex reorientation facility being constructed with NSF money I don't know about?

 

 

Yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[KipWellsFan]

What is moral is what promotes kindness, discipline, honor & loyalty in the world.

 

What is immoral is that which promotes the opposite.  Pretty simple stuff.

 

Democrats or Liberals for that matter are in no way less moral than Republicans and Conservatives.

[FlaSoxxJim]

What is moral is what promotes kindness, discipline, honor & loyalty in the world.

 

So homosexuality is thankfully finally off the hook, as it does nothing to injure any of those societal attributes.

[KipWellsFan]

If you believe otherwise produce some headlines to the contrary.

 

lol, you first to prove your point!

[JUGGERNAUT]

Science has already discovered a link between hormonal levels of Mom's & homosexuality. It is just a matter of time before they collect enough data to where the gay question goes from being psychologically normal to physically abnormal & like anything else medical science will put forth a money making cure, preventive measure, or corrective treatment.