Pierre to the Cubs?

[SoxFan562004]

is there any more on this rumor? ESPN 1000 isn't reporting anything about this right now, and they seemed to be the only source reporting this yesterday.

 

I think Hendry has made some solid deals, but I can't say he's a great GM with the simple fact that the last three years he's went from 1st to 3rd to 4th.... that's just horrible.

 

I know he's had some injuries, but that was his fault for counting on Wood, he's failed in getting a solid bullpen.

Edited November 15, 2005 by SoxFan562004

[jackie hayes]

Why was the trade for Jerome Williams bad? When a player is hated as much as Hawkins was, I don't fault the gm if he gets rid of the guy. To get someone with Williams' upside, who did a pretty decent job for them, looks to me like a pretty good trade.

 

Hendry's had his share of head scratchers, but I think that, ARam + Lofton, Lee, and Garciaparra were pretty good moves.

[Kyyle23]

They were good moves, im admitting that.  Lee was a great aquisition, and A-ram was good.  Its the lack of moves he has made since that, which are going to be his legacy.  He has shown no knowledge of building a team quite yet.  Look at the way he filled in his team last offseason.  Come on.  The guy is avg at best.

 

I would say that Jeromy Burnitz filled his role quite well last year, as did Ryan Dempster. Glendon Rusch has been pretty good for the Cubs in whatever role they gave him. Even though he didnt have a magnificent season, Maddux still had a pretty good season for a guy who only goes 6 innings anymore.

 

Every GM has their good deals and their bomb deals. I dont think Hendry sucks at all.

[White Sox Josh]

After a dissapointing Season, both team on both sides of town try to reconstruct their teams.

 

KW picks up Pods, Dye, AJP, Gooch, El Duque, Count (last year), Jenks, Viz.

 

Hendry picks up-Burnitz, Blanco (?), Hairston

 

Cubs get worse

 

Sox win WS

 

Hendry sucks.

than he got robbed on the Farnsworth deal. He would've helped that bullpen for sure.

[White Sox Josh]

Why was the trade for Jerome Williams bad?  When a player is hated as much as Hawkins was, I don't fault the gm if he gets rid of the guy.  To get someone with Williams' upside, who did a pretty decent job for them, looks to me like a pretty good trade.

 

Hendry's had his share of head scratchers, but I think that, ARam + Lofton, Lee, and Garciaparra were pretty good moves.

Jerome Williams is Jon Garland in his early years.

[SoxFanForever]

Jerome Williams is Jon Garland in his early years.

Except for the fact that Garland has always been an innings eater and Williams has never pitched more than 131 innings. Oh yeah, they are identical twins.

[Jimbo's Drinker]

Anyone think Bruce Levine is just being Bruce Levine and this trade won't happen.

Edited November 15, 2005 by Jimbo's Drinker

[White Sox Josh]

Except for the fact that Garland has always been an innings eater and Williams has never pitched more than 131 innings.  Oh yeah, they are identical twins.

Yeah that's the only difference between the two.

[YASNY]

You also have to give Hendry credit for the Todd Hundley to LAD deal. That worked out well. Still, if he would have pulled off what KW did, he'd have a statue by now.

[SSH2005]

Haha, Bruce Levine is backing off this trade rumor faster than you can imagine. He is now saying that the Cubs and the Marlins haven't talked about Juan Pierre in the past 3 days and that no trade is imminent. :rolly

[Kyyle23]

Haha, Bruce Levine is backing off this trade rumor faster than you can imagine.  He is now saying that the Cubs and the Marlins haven't talked about Juan Pierre in the past 3 days and that no trade is imminent.  :rolly

 

You know who perpetuates these rumors worse than Bruce Levine? Michael Olgolnik(I think thats his last name, he seems to mesh all of the syllables together when he says his name).

 

When he does his updates, that guy is ordering rounds of Cubby koolaid. Every morning for the past 3 days, the O-G has been saying its not a matter of if, its a matter of when this trade is done.

 

Over the summer he got alot of comeuppance on his radio show, he kept trashing the sox and celebrating the Cubs and callers were just KILLING HIM. He even went as far as to tell Jeff Dickerson(who I feel is the up-and-comer of ESPN1000) that if he had to choose any pitcher for a game 7 in the world series, he would choose Mark Prior. I like Mark Prior, the guy has great stuff, but there are so many more money pitchers that I would put out there before Prior. In fact, I would probably put Zambrano out there before Prior. And if I had my choice of any pitcher, it certainly wouldnt be on the cubs.

[southsider2k5]

Yes but Lawton was such a bust that they had to trade him.  Had he played well he wouldn't be traded.

 

I'd be willing to bet that the two Lawton trades happened when his steroid test results leaked out. No evidence, just a feeling.

[Balta1701]

I'd be willing to bet that the two Lawton trades happened when his steroid test results leaked out.  No evidence, just a feeling.

That would mean that there was an awfully long appeals process. Lawton was traded first on the trade deadline, and second at the end of August. If you're right, that means that there were at least 3 months between his first trade and the announcement of his test, and that there were at least 2 months between the 2nd trade and the announcemnet of the positive test.

 

That seems like an awful long delay in either case, although I can't prove it didn't happen. Lawton did say he didn't appeal, but then again I don't know if MLB would confirm whether he appealed or not.

[KevHead0881]

Hendry's a pretty good GM, but its still mind boggling how you enter the offseason with the bullpen being your biggest need and you enter the next season without addressing it...at all!

 

From the sounds of it, they may be on the verge of doing it again. Either way, that teams got a ton of holes to fill, and Hendry's may have to pull off some magic if they want to catch the Cards. Hell, I'm not sure they'll be better than the Brewers next year.

[santo=dorf]

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 12:52 PM)

I disagree about Hendry. I think he is an excellent GM. You can't dismiss the Lee/Ramirez pickups. Those are ginormous acquisitions. I hate the Cubs but he's pretty good

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

how much credit do you give Brian Cashman for getting A-Rod?

 

Last time I checked, the Cubs farm system still hasn't produced a servicable postion player. That dates back to Grace's days.

[DBAHO]

Santo I'm gettin dizzy.

[RockRaines]

I would say that Jeromy Burnitz filled his role quite well last year, as did Ryan Dempster.  Glendon Rusch has been pretty good for the Cubs in whatever role they gave him.  Even though he didnt have a magnificent season, Maddux still had a pretty good season for a guy who only goes 6 innings anymore. 

 

Every GM has their good deals and their bomb deals.  I dont think Hendry sucks at all.

You are talking about stop gaps being OK.

 

1st place to third place. Thats all.

 

Didnt adress bullpen

didnt address defense

didnt address offense.

 

Demster was lucky, he wasnt aquired for the closer role. Hawkins was shoved into it AGAIN even though his history suggests he cant take the role. Doesnt matter how much he was hated, the guy has shown that he couldnt close, yet Hendry still relies on him.

[thedoctor]

i don't really know what to think of hendry.

 

the ramirez, hundley and lee deals were outstanding. the nomar deal was meh, although if murton pans out he may end up being the best part of it.

 

but the inability to address certain key issues on the team (bullpen, hello!) would concern me if i were a cub fan (thank god i'm not). plus his free agency acquisitions have been marginal to bad, no one of any real impact there.

 

i'm also a little mystified by the obsession with furcal. cub fans are falling all over themselves with him supposedly being the ideal lead-off man, but to me furcal has many of the same problems patterson has. i guess they just want the self-flagellation to continue. let's hope it does.

[RockRaines]

i don't really know what to think of hendry.

 

the ramirez, hundley and lee deals were outstanding. the nomar deal was meh, although if murton pans out he may end up being the best part of it.

 

but the inability to address certain key issues on the team (bullpen, hello!) would concern me if i were a cub fan (thank god i'm not). plus his free agency acquisitions have been marginal to bad, no one of any real impact there.

 

i'm also a little mystified by the obsession with furcal. cub fans are falling all over themselves with him supposedly being the ideal lead-off man, but to me furcal has many of the same problems patterson has. i guess they just want the self-flagellation to continue. let's hope it does.

Agreed. He has made some great deals, although blame falls on the Pirates and FLA on those as well. But its the deals he hasnt made to actually improve his team in their weak points which makes him an avg GM IMO.

 

Go bucks

Edited November 16, 2005 by RockRaines

[White Sox Josh]

I'd be willing to bet that the two Lawton trades happened when his steroid test results leaked out.  No evidence, just a feeling.

the pirates got rid of him to dump salary and because he was a free agent after the year.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

how much credit do you give Brian Cashman for getting A-Rod?

 

Last time I checked, the Cubs farm system still hasn't produced a servicable postion player.  That dates back to Grace's days.

 

I think Cashman should get a healthy amount of credit for A-Rod. He worked pretty hard and got it done. It was impressive. You are correct about not developing a position player but that is just one facet of a farm system. If you trade your guys for permanent fixtures (which the Cardinals have shown works great) then its just as good-albeit pricier. That's only half the argument though. They've developed guys like Zambrano and Prior (although they didn't have to mold him much).