Texsox Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-bear16.html The Bears only can hope Miller's return also helps take a magnifying glass off the team's longstanding relationship with the FBI and an FBI gun range in North Chicago. Miller and Kreutz began the day that ended in the fight, Nov. 7, by attending a gun training program at the facility, according to several sources. They also began drinking at the facility while enjoying a barbecue with FBI instructors and agents attending a terrorist training program, the sources said. There was no combination whatsoever of drinking and gun use, the sources insisted, and the players attended a classroom session before going to the range and firing weapons. Machine guns, pistols and a sniper's rifle mounted on a tripod were described as typical of the type of weapons Bears employees have been trained on at the facility through the years. An FBI spokesman confirmed that about a dozen Bears players attended the controlled shoot as part of an annual liaison day between the FBI and the Bears that they've done for "a number of years.'' The FBI runs similar liaison shoots with other groups. One source said "just about every'' employee who has been through Halas Hall has been to the range at some point. Sources refused to confirm or deny that the fight took place at the facility but did say players were on their own with no FBI agents present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 02:11 PM) http://www.suntimes.com/output/sports/cst-spt-bear16.html there's a lot in that story. the fbi. guns. barbeque. drinking. fighting. sounds like a good time. where do i sign up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 09:17 AM) there's a lot in that story. the fbi. guns. barbeque. drinking. fighting. sounds like a good time. where do i sign up? Phhhh.....sounds like my monday nights This Olin Kreutz-Fred Miller story just needs to go away....at least they are winning or this would be the only thing we would hear about for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 It would be quite a feat if Miller indeed does only miss 1 game with a broken jaw as that is what apparently is going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(thedoctor @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 08:17 AM) there's a lot in that story. the fbi. guns. barbeque. drinking. fighting. sounds like a good time. where do i sign up? s***, no kidding. I didn't know that part about the FBI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Just me maybe, but where I come from, guns, drinking, and fighting aren't a safe or good combination.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 (edited) man the media is really blwoing this up. What is the big deal....two guys got into a pissing match that resulted in a couple punches thrown and then it's over. Big deal.... Guns, alcohol, FBI: Bears just don't get it Of course Moronotti was just chomping at the bit waiting for something like this to come out so he can get back to his whining. There have been too many positive events in Chicago and he's been oozing for some controversey to line up against the team. I don't know how, but I just knew he would find a way to b**** about PSL licenses in to this article. Every time he bashes the Bears he mentions them. Find something new Jay. and what's with this comment?? Here was a chance to divorce the Bears from the creepy concept of firearms-as-entertainment. Instead, Smith responded like a card-carrying supporter. I don't think it's a creepy concept? Millions of people like shooting guns in a range. What's the big deal...Maybe he is a card carrying supporter...what f***in business is it of yours and who are you to insult him for it....If guns in a gun range creep you out Jay...then don't go to a gun range. I can't figure out the problem in all of this except the media needs a story. Now, if there was drinking and shooting that's one thing....but that hasn't even been hinted at. It should be handled in house...hell it could have been handled just between Miller and Kreutz like they tried to do...but a couple leaks got out and now moronotti wants suspensions and bans. Drop it....already..... Mariotti column from yesterday Edited November 17, 2005 by Controlled Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 12:56 PM) man the media is really blwoing this up. What is the big deal....two guys got into a pissing match that resulted in a couple punches thrown and then it's over. Big deal.... Guns, alcohol, FBI: Bears just don't get it Of course Moronotti was just chomping at the bit waiting for something like this to come out so he can get back to his whining. There have been too many positive events in Chicago and he's been oozing for some controversey to line up against the team. I don't know how, but I just knew he would find a way to b**** about PSL licenses in to this article. Every time he bashes the Bears he mentions them. Find something new Jay. and what's with this comment?? I don't think it's a creepy concept? Millions of people like shooting guns in a range. What's the big deal...Maybe he is a card carrying supporter...what f***in business is it of yours and who are you to insult him for it....If guns in a gun range creep you out Jay...then don't go to a gun range. I can't figure out the problem in all of this except the media needs a story. Now, if there was drinking and shooting that's one thing....but that hasn't even been hinted at. It should be handled in house...hell it could have been handled just between Miller and Kreutz like they tried to do...but a couple leaks got out and now moronotti wants suspensions and bans. Drop it....already..... Mariotti column from yesterday Well I think it's a big deal if a pair of 300 pound men after drinking, go to an FBI shooting range (and they were drinking before they went, heard that all over the place), get into an argument, and somebody gets hit in the head with a weight and needs a dozen stitches, while another person has a broken jaw, that's a big deal. Large men + alcohol + guns + FBI property=big deal. The media is overdoing it, but to say it should just be handeled in house I strongly disagree with. Btw, Miller could realistically get "assault with a deadly weapon" chargers for smacking somebody in the head with a dumbbell, Kruetz is lucky he came out of it without serious injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) Well I think it's a big deal if a pair of 300 pound men after drinking, go to an FBI shooting range (and they were drinking before they went, heard that all over the place), get into an argument, and somebody gets hit in the head with a weight and needs a dozen stitches, while another person has a broken jaw, that's a big deal. Large men + alcohol + guns + FBI property=big deal. The media is overdoing it, but to say it should just be handeled in house I strongly disagree with. Btw, Miller could realistically get "assault with a deadly weapon" chargers for smacking somebody in the head with a dumbbell, Kruetz is lucky he came out of it without serious injuries. I haven't heard anywhere that they were drinking before hand. Please provide a link or even a reference as to where you heard it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(rangercal @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) s***, no kidding. I didn't know that part about the FBI. Sounds like a typical weekend for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 09:01 AM) I haven't heard anywhere that they were drinking before hand. Please provide a link or even a reference as to where you heard it.... Heard it on Sportscenter and ESPNEWS both more than once.....I'm not sure where there would be a link, but I could try and find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) Heard it on Sportscenter and ESPNEWS both more than once.....I'm not sure where there would be a link, but I could try and find one. I have been following it pretty closely here in chicago and have never heard anyone accuse them of drinking before hand. If Marriotti had that info he would have used it. As I said in my original post if there was drinking and then shooting, then I understand the outrage...but from all things I have heard...that was not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 09:56 AM) I have been following it pretty closely here in chicago and have never heard anyone accuse them of drinking before hand. If Marriotti had that info he would have used it. As I said in my original post if there was drinking and then shooting, then I understand the outrage...but from all things I have heard...that was not the case. ESPN might have misreported it, but hey not like that would be surprising, because you have a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 10:05 AM) ESPN might have misreported it, but hey not like that would be surprising, because you have a good point. I think they did. They just keep saying here that they continue to investigate... which is open to speculation of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 They dont know for sure if they were drinking before-hand.... but I think it is assumed that they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) They dont know for sure if they were drinking before-hand.... but I think it is assumed that they were. They keep winning they can drink and shoot guns all they want to. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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