timotime Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I have never been to HHH dome, but i heard its a dump. I went to a game at shea stadium a while ago and it was the dirtiest park i had ever been in, minor and major league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Osuna Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I've never been inside Shea, but it looks pretty ugly from the exterior, mostly to the halted design of the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Want a park? Ignore Chicago By Thom Loverro The Washington Times Originally Published on October 24, 2005 Perhaps the biggest contrast between the Chicago White Sox and the Houston Astros is their ballparks. U.S. Cellular Field, the home of the White Sox and the ballpark that hosted last night's Game2 of the World Series, opened in 1991. Minute Maid Park, which will host Game3 tomorrow night in Houston, opened nine years later. But judging by their design, they might as well have been built 30 years apart. Remarkably, they were designed by the same architect HOK of Kansas City. That should serve notice to the planners in Washington who have employed HOK to design a stadium in Southeast for the Nationals. They should make sure they get a ballpark that more resembles Minute Maid than U.S. Cellular, a sore thumb among the new facilities that have been built during the past 15 years. U.S. Cellular then called new Comiskey Park opened 14 years ago right across the street from the old Comiskey on the city's south side. Immediately there were complaints: The stadium was too sterile. It didn't have the intimacy of creaky old Comiskey. The upper deck was too steep. Perhaps any ballpark forced to compete with the friendly confines of Wrigley Field would be doomed to disappoint. But Camden Yards, also designed by HOK, opened in Baltimore one year later, and new Comiskey went from perceived disappointment to disaster. Camden Yards, with its retro style and modern amenities, changed the game, influencing all ballparks that came after it. It made new Comiskey a $137million, taxpayer-financed embarrassment. They since have spent $80million to correct the stadium's flaws, taking 6,600 seats off the upper deck and installing a retro-looking metal roof over most of the upper deck. It is worth noting that those renovations were designed not by HOK, but by their rival, HKS of Dallas. The Astros didn't need to make changes at their ballpark when it opened in 2000 except the name, Enron Field (talk about embarrassing). The $250 million retractable-dome stadium successfully followed the Camden Yards blueprint. There have been tweaks here and there, the addition of some local flavor. One of those local touches in Houston is the train that runs across the left field wall on top of the ballpark when a home run is hit, a tribute to the stadium's Union Station location and the railroad that helped Houston grow. They could do something similar in Washington for the Nationals' ballpark, perhaps a limousine with flags on it and an escort of police officers on motorcycles. There were no such attractions when new Comiskey opened. White Sox vice chairman Howard Pizer told the Houston Chronicle that the ballpark opened to positive reviews a selective memory in play there but everything changed once Camden Yards opened. "When we opened it, we had nothing but raves, wonderful reviews from the fans and the media," Pizer said. "Once Camden Yards opened, it was like, 'Oh, we like this better.' The honeymoon was over." What is disturbing is that if it were up to HOK, there would have been a new Comiskey in Baltimore as well. Only one thing changed that: the determination of one man who had a vision of what he wanted the ballpark to look like. HOK, hired by the Maryland Stadium Authority, came to a meeting with Orioles president Larry Lucchino with a model for Camden Yards that used new Comiskey as the template. Lucchino literally tore the model apart, piece by piece, right before the architects eyes, and told them this was not what he wanted. "It was Larry who initiated the whole idea of the design of the stadium, even though he wasn't an architect," former stadium authority chairman Herb Belgrad told me years later. "Larry was the moving force. There were different people involved throughout this different owners, different negotiators but Larry was the driving constant." Ballpark design is one of many issues facing Washington baseball now. There has been talk of breaking the trend of Camden Yards-style retro parks and making Washington's the first in a new generation of stadiums. But there are too many cooks with too many different ideas of what the recipe should be. Those different ideas have thrown the design, like so many other aspects of baseball here, into chaos. What Washington needs is their own Lucchino, a "driving constant" to oversee every aspect of this project, a man with the guts and the vision to tear apart unacceptable ideas and notions. Otherwise, the Nationals could end up with their own version of U.S. Cellular Field: a blueprint for years to come of what kind of ballpark not to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 that article is garbage. i personally dont believe that putting crazy support beams in the outfield or hills (the hill is the dumbest of all ideas) makes a ballpark good. each park has it's own thing, whether it be a train with oranges in the trailor or a pool past the left center wall or an explodint scoreboard. i think that some of the parks can get pretty shameless and cartoony (for lack of a better word) in their "innovations." whatever happened to class? i think us cellular, dodger stadium, and miller park in milwaukee have the most class without being shameless. but that's me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The obvious answer is missing. Nice Sox fan.. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Why is Tiger Stadium an option? The Tigers don't play there anymore, they play at Comerica, which is a very beautiful ball park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 Why is Tiger Stadium an option? The Tigers don't play there anymore, they play at Comerica, which is a very beautiful ball park. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> oops, thats what i meant. i put comerica on there cause i heard it can be crappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I can't understand why US Cellular would even be considered. Some of the Upper Deck stinks, but the lower deck is great. I seriously have a difficult time watching games that are televised at HHH and Tampa. Those have to be the two worst. They don't even look like baseball stadiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 11:09 AM) The obvious answer is missing. Nice Sox fan.. :rolly Does the field that you are talking about have weeds on the walls and have no jumbotron and a rathole for a visitors dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 11:14 AM) I can't understand why US Cellular would even be considered. Some of the Upper Deck stinks, but the lower deck is great. I seriously have a difficult time watching games that are televised at HHH and Tampa. Those have to be the two worst. They don't even look like baseball stadiums. They may be crap because they are indoors.. but the facilities themselves are not crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 12:09 PM) The obvious answer is missing. Nice Sox fan.. :rolly REally...where's the urinal at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 12:15 PM) They may be crap because they are indoors.. but the facilities themselves are not crap. domes are crap in theory...teams in football and baseball shouldn't have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The dump in loserville... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 11:15 AM) Does the field that you are talking about have weeds on the walls and have no jumbotron and a rathole for a visitors dugout. Why yes.. it does. Along with nasty food, warm beer, and absolutely frightening bathrooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Wrigley Field, it's not even close, and even if I weren't a Sox fan that disliked the Cubs I'd say that......Wrigley is the definition of hellhole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 is it too late to change my title of the poll to worst stadiums in the AL? i cant believe that i blanked on wrigley...sorry, i apologized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(timotime @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) is it too late to change my title of the poll to worst stadiums in the AL? i cant believe that i blanked on wrigley...sorry, i apologized. Shea.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 Shea.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i will just stop because im digging myself deeper and deeper each time i try... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(timotime @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 11:38 AM) i will just stop because im digging myself deeper and deeper each time i try... It happens to the best of us.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 1060 W. Addison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 12:43 PM) 1060 W. Addison Blues Brothers has forever guaranteed that I know the address of that dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be Good Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I voted for the Trop. Everyone hates on Shea, but I think its average. Then again I have nothing to compare it to. As I've only been to Shea, and Yankee Stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Be Good @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) I voted for the Trop. Everyone hates on Shea, but I think its average. Then again I have nothing to compare it to. As I've only been to Shea, and Yankee Stadium. Why would you vote for a place you've never been to..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted November 16, 2005 Author Share Posted November 16, 2005 since ive never been there, i am asking: what is it about HHH Dome that is bad? ive only heard it's crappy, never why. id assume because of the studpid wall in the outfield, the echoes, the artificialness of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 12:57 PM) Why would you vote for a place you've never been to..? yeah, but most people on this board probably haven't seen these parks. I've only been to Wrigley, County Stadium, Miller Park, Comiskey, and The Cell. So my opinion definatly is useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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