kapkomet Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 News reports are coming out that Al-Zarqwai may have been killed this weekend in Mosul. You can think of this on one of two ways - we finally got him... or... he's been dead for months and now that the s*** is hitting the fan, they're releasing the news on a big fish getting killed. Take your pick. I'm sure for most here, this is a "timing" report. Either way, if they got him that's a big target to go down. And yes, I know, others will take his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 "The Elaph Arab media website reported on Sunday that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of the al-Qaida in Iraq terror group, may have been killed in Iraq on Sunday afternoon when eight terrorists blew themselves up in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred while coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding. American and Iraqi forces are looking into the report." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid...icle%2FShowFull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 05:13 PM) Either way, if they got him that's a big target to go down. And yes, I know, others will take his place. Yes, and yes. But here's hoping. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 So is committing suicide to avoid being arrested enough to be a "martyr"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 07:07 AM) So is committing suicide to avoid being arrested enough to be a "martyr"? It could be reported that the ugly American blood thirsty infidels bombed him and he dies a martyr. Remember their press is as unreliable and biased as ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:18 AM) It could be reported that the ugly American blood thirsty infidels bombed him and he dies a martyr. Remember their press is as unreliable and biased as ours. It could be reported that he was wearing a dress and a curly wig hosting a teaparty for his dolls... that wasn't my question though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 07:30 AM) It could be reported that he was wearing a dress and a curly wig hosting a martyr for his dolls... that wasn't my question though. Then yes, suicide bombing is a way to martyrdom, but you knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:37 AM) Then yes, suicide bombing is a way to martyrdom, but you knew that. But is blowing yourself up to avoid surrender considered a suicide bombing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 07:37 AM) But is blowing yourself up to avoid surrender considered a suicide bombing? By the time his followers hear about it, it wasn't to avoid surrender, they trapped the infidels and blew the enemy up. Then the American press slandered the memory of a great martyr. In other words, it just doesn't matter how he really died. The war continues and in his "honor" a dozen more young men sign up :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Just missed him.. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10107233/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:53 AM) By the time his followers hear about it, it wasn't to avoid surrender, they trapped the infidels and blew the enemy up. Then the American press slandered the memory of a great martyr. In other words, it just doesn't matter how he really died. The war continues and in his "honor" a dozen more young men sign up :headshake But Allah knows the truth. And that is what matters. Now back to the orginal question again, is that enough for martyrdom????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Suicide and Martyrdom The Koran makes it very clear that suicide is forbidden: 4:29. But it states several times that the martyr can expect an afterlife in paradise: they are "alive" (3:169), and have a blessed afterlife: 3:170-174,22:58. One man's "suicide bombers," then, are another's "martyrs." This makes it worthwhile to review the story of the founding figure of Islamic martyrdom, and one source of martyrdom's continuing appeal: the third Imam, Husayn, the grandson of Mohammed who was killed with a band of followers by the forces of the Caliph Yazid in 680. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 LOL, Martyrdom is based upon the media portrayal of your death in your society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:43 AM) LOL, Martyrdom is based upon the media portrayal of your death in your society. We will never know how Allah determines who are martyrs, but we do know how the crazies will view it, and how they will react. Why worry about the afterlife, when here and now is much more relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 02:49 PM) We will never know how Allah determines who are martyrs, but we do know how the crazies will view it, and how they will react. Why worry about the afterlife, when here and now is much more relevant? Wow. That's a pretty agnostic statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:50 AM) Wow. That's a pretty agnostic statement. I'm guessing Jesus kicks the crap out of the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted November 21, 2005 Author Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) I'm guessing Jesus kicks the crap out of the guy You're just wrong. Good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 08:52 AM) I'm guessing Jesus kicks the crap out of the guy No. Instead of 72 virgins hes gonna get himself 72 horny fat dudes named Bubba. WELCOME TO HELL b****!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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