Josh Beckett

[jphat007]

Beckett should be good for 3 or 4 DL visits this year.

[Punch and Judy Garland]

I think you guys are way wrong. A steal for the Sox. If this were a fantasy trade, all the other owners would vote it down. This is bulls*** and I'm really pissed about it. Its one thing when the Yanks and the Sawx buy talent via FA but when they buy it like this it upsets me more. f***

[jphat007]

I think you guys are way wrong. A steal for the Sox. If this were a fantasy trade, all the other owners would vote it down. This is bulls*** and I'm really pissed about it. Its one thing when the Yanks and the Sawx buy talent via FA but when they buy it like this it upsets me more. f***

 

LOL. Just like all those moves last offseason for important pitchers were big important moves for the Yanks right? We saw how that worked out. Josh Beckett = Jaret Wright = Carl Pavano. All in the same vein.

Edited November 22, 2005 by jphat007

[SSH2005]

LOL. Just like all those moves last offseason for important pitchers were big important moves for the Yanks right? We saw how that worked out. Josh Beckett = Jaret Wright = Carl Pavano. All in the same vein.

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It's a good trade for Boston. Prospects are just prospects. They are not guaranteed to be good in the majors. And Hanley Ramirez's offensive numbers are hardly impressive. The Red Sox actually know that they are getting an ace-quality pitcher in Beckett if he can stay healthy. Also, Lowell could put up great numbers pulling cheap homers over the monster.

Edited November 22, 2005 by SSH2005

[JDsDirtySox]

I think you guys are way wrong. A steal for the Sox. If this were a fantasy trade, all the other owners would vote it down. This is bulls*** and I'm really pissed about it. Its one thing when the Yanks and the Sawx buy talent via FA but when they buy it like this it upsets me more. f***

 

But this isn't fantasy baseball... this is real life. They are using real money and real players. The Marlins are looking to cut their payroll in half, and just got off to a tremendous start. Do you realize how much money Mike Lowell makes for the stats he puts up? I don't care if they have to pay half of the money owed to Lowell... he was a killer to their payroll. And as far as Beckett goes... the guy is living off of his performance in the 2003 Playoffs. He is a bonehead made of glass that is very blister-prone. While I think H. Ramirez might need another year of atbats in AAA... I think that in 5 years from now, he will be the best player in this deal. Sanchez seems to have a bright future too.

I think the Marlins will be happy with this deal 5 years from now (very happy).

Edited November 22, 2005 by JDsDirtySox

[SSH2005]

But this isn't fantasy baseball... this is real life.  They are using real money and real players.  The Marlins are looking to cut their payroll in half, and just got off to a tremendous start.  Do you realize how much money Mike Lowell makes for the stats he puts up?  I don't care if they have to pay half of the money owed to Lowell... he was a killer to their payroll.  And as far as Beckett goes... the guy is living off of his performance in the 2003 Playoffs.  He is a bonehead made of glass that is very blister-prone.  While I think H. Ramirez might need another year of atbats in AAA... I think that in 5 years from now, he will be the best player in this deal. Sanchez seems to have a bright future too. 

I think the Marlins will be happy with this deal 5 years from now (very happy).

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And the Red Sox will be happy with this deal for the exact opposite reason as the Marlins -- the Red Sox want to win now, not 5 years from now.

[jphat007]

It's a good trade for Boston.  Prospects are just prospects.  They are not guaranteed to be good in the majors.  And Hanley Ramirez's offensive numbers are hardly impressive.  The Red Sox actually know that they are getting an ace-quality pitcher if he can stay healthy.  Lowell could put up great numbers pulling cheap homers over the monster.

 

1. I'm not sure Beckett is an "Ace" pitcher in the AL. Probably high 3s ERA, especially in Boston. It's not bad by any means, but not great either.

 

2. Lowell sucks. I seriously doubt Boston wants to keep him at all.

 

Additionally. Look at Beckett's splits last year.

 

Away

 

.261 .316 .434 .750 4.31 ERA away last year

 

Away three year splits

 

.263 BAA 4.10 ERA away

 

Ace - Not so much. His home park numbers help him out tremendously.

Edited November 22, 2005 by jphat007

[ChWRoCk2]

i hate trade threads, thats all i have to say, lets just let whatever happen happen, and deal with it seriously

Edited November 22, 2005 by ChWRoCk2

[SSH2005]

1. I'm not sure Beckett is an "Ace" pitcher in the AL. Probably high #s ERA, especially in Boston. It's not bad by any means, but not great either.

Regardless, he's instantly the best starting pitcher in the Red Sox rotation now.

 

2. Lowell sucks. I seriously doubt Boston wants to keep him at all.

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Oh boy, Lowell sucks now because he had one bad season. He must have caught Juan Pierre's disease. That must mean Konerko sucks because he was horrible in 2003. :rolly

[jphat007]

Regardless, he's instantly the best starting pitcher in the Red Sox rotation now.

Oh boy, Lowell sucks now because he had one bad season.  He must have caught Juan Pierre's disease.  That must mean Konerko sucks because he was horrible in 2003.  :rolly

 

.270 .339 .467 .806

 

$7.5 mil

 

Lowell sucks

 

Those are 3-year stats by the way. I didn't have hte heart to put his 2005 stats.

 

And saying he's Boston's best pitcher isn't saying very much.

Edited November 22, 2005 by jphat007

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.270 .339 .467 .806

 

$7.5 mil

 

Lowell sucks

 

And saying he's Boston's best pitcher isn't saying very much.

.234 .305 .399

 

$6.25 mil

 

? sucks

Edited November 22, 2005 by 3E8

[SSH2005]

.270 .339 .467 .806

 

$7.5 mil

 

Lowell sucks

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Lowell puts up pretty good offensive numbers and plays good defense. I would praise Allah if Crede could put up an .806 OPS. He also won't be costing the Red Sox $7.5 million a year:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2232211

Florida would include cash in the trade to offset some of the $18 million owed to Lowell over the next two seasons.

[jphat007]

.234  .305  .399 

 

$6.25 mil

 

? sucks

 

Somebody on our team? Which stats are those?

[AnthraxFan93]

Somebody on our team? Which stats are those?

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Pauly's 2003 stats?

[JDsDirtySox]

And the Red Sox will be happy with this deal for the exact opposite reason as the Marlins -- the Red Sox want to win now, not 5 years from now.

 

I agree with you... but not all teams have money to burn like the Red Sox and Yankees. The Marlins payroll will be 3 times less than the Red Sox. This is the business side of baseball. The Marlins have to make things work for their situation. I like the two prospects that they got, and they get another minor leaguer too.

[jphat007]

Lowell puts up pretty good offensive numbers and plays good defense.  I would praise Allah if Crede could put up an .806 OPS.  He also won't be costing the Red Sox $7.5 million a year:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2232211

 

They better throw in 16 million of that 18 million. Lowell is getting older and suckier. They couldn't find anyone dumb enough to take him at the deadline last year. They just found someone dumb enough, and you can rest assured that Boston's on the phone right now seeing if they can sucker in some other dumb team to take his suckiness and salary. I saw the Twins were interested. How awesome would that be.

 

Just for fun.

 

.236 .298 .360 .658

 

Nine million a year for that (little less as cash) LOL. Suckers.

[jphat007]

Pauly's 2003 stats?

 

Good call.

[AnthraxFan93]

Correct me if I am wrong and I am sure you guys will but can't Lowell Play 1b as well?

 

Isn't Bill Mauer a FA, I don't see how this is a bad trade for Boston..They aquire a SP that they missed last year, a gold glove 3b who had a horriable year. For nobody right now.. They might be great can only wait and see.. My guess is they are with Fla track record.

[jphat007]

Pre-All Star

 

.197 .267 .300 .567 Player A

.226 .282 .351 .633 Player B

 

Post All-Star

 

.275 .346 .507 .853 Player A

.250 .320 .373 .693 Player B

 

Which would you bet on having a better year the following season?

[Guest JimH]

Correct me if I am wrong and I am sure you guys will but can't Lowell Play 1b as well?

 

Isn't Bill Mauer a FA, I don't see how this is a bad trade for Boston..They aquire a SP that they missed last year, a gold glove 3b who had a horriable year. For nobody right now.. They might be great can only wait and see.. My guess is they are with Fla track record.

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Bill Mueller, yes, and he'd be a good fit here.

[AnthraxFan93]

Pre-All Star

 

.197 .267 .300 .567      Player A

.226 .282 .351 .633      Player B

 

Post All-Star

 

.275 .346 .507 .853      Player A   

.250 .320 .373 .693      Player B

 

Which would you bet on having a better year the following season?

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That is the best thing about Baseball, it follows life.. You just never know. Who would have said this time last year we are the WS champs? I sure would not have.. WE understand you think Lowell is worse than moldy bread, some here disagree. That is the beauty of a MB.. When All else fails remember one simple thing..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no Spoon.

[Chisoxfn]

And the Red Sox will be happy with this deal for the exact opposite reason as the Marlins -- the Red Sox want to win now, not 5 years from now.

So if thats the case...the Red Sox and Marlins both get what they want...which would make it a fair trade. The Marlins get a huge contract off there books and get two good to great prospects.