Jim Fainter Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I'm not so sure. Everyone thinks so, but they are just playing baseball against better baseball players. Part of OUR problem is that we all sold a bill of goods to ourselves. Me included. We finished well last year, especially Crede. Rowand looked pretty good. Same with Jiminez. Then we made a couple of trades, and optimism not only reigned, it flourished. We expected way too much. We penciled in unrealistic stats for our starters. e.g. Maggs: Everyone thought he would be an MVP candidate with stats like .330/35/135, or thereabouts. Ain't gonna happen. Compare our position players to those on opposing teams. We are not as good. I see the Rockies, Cubs, and the Braves play a lot. We are not as good. Believe me, Rios, Daubach, Konerko, Alomar, Harris, Lee, et al would not make the Rockies, and they are about a .500 team. We are now 20-23, and we are 5-1 vs Detroit. I don't think we are necessarily underachieving. We are just playing to our level of skill against better players. Well, mabe a little bit underachieving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 5-1 against Detroit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I'm not so sure. Everyone thinks so, but they are just playing baseball against better baseball players. Part of OUR problem is that we all sold a bill of goods to ourselves. Me included. We finished well last year, especially Crede. Rowand looked pretty good. Same with Jiminez. Then we made a couple of trades, and optimism not only reigned, it flourished. We expected way too much. We penciled in unrealistic stats for our starters. e.g. Maggs: Everyone thought he would be an MVP candidate with stats like .330/35/135, or thereabouts. Ain't gonna happen. Compare our position players to those on opposing teams. We are not as good. I see the Rockies, Cubs, and the Braves play a lot. We are not as good. Believe me, Rios, Daubach, Konerko, Alomar, Harris, Lee, et al would not make the Rockies, and they are about a .500 team I couldn't disagree more...and, believe me, I've been telling myself that we are not good for a long-ass time to alleviate the enourmous disappointment, but I simply see too much talent on this team. It would be intellectually lazy and easy, IMO, to dismiss this team as "mediocre" talent-wise (as people like bmr and a few others seem to be doing)....We are not the 160-million Yankees, of course, but we are just as talented as Seattle Mariners, Boston and Oakland A's. Easily...and that's what's so upsetting to me. YMMV. Example: forget about 2000 for a second...in 1999 we had a team full of unknown youngsters and next to no payroll (half of it was Frank Thomas and he went on the DL for the last 2 months, lol!) and yet we were one bad streak away from finishing at .500, I don't need to tell you how good Indians were that year. We had Bobby Howry as our closer!...This year we are projected to be worse than that record-wise despite having literally twice as much talent and weaker division. If that's not "severe underachievement", I don't know what is... Are you saying Konerko, Crede and Lee topped out at ripe ol' age of 23? And Garland at 21 in 2001? Buerhle at 22 last year? Magglio at 28? Etc, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 I'm not so sure. Everyone thinks so, but they are just playing baseball against better baseball players. Part of OUR problem is that we all sold a bill of goods to ourselves. Me included. We finished well last year, especially Crede. Rowand looked pretty good. Same with Jiminez. Then we made a couple of trades, and optimism not only reigned, it flourished. We expected way too much. We penciled in unrealistic stats for our starters. e.g. Maggs: Everyone thought he would be an MVP candidate with stats like .330/35/135, or thereabouts. Ain't gonna happen. Compare our position players to those on opposing teams. We are not as good. I see the Rockies, Cubs, and the Braves play a lot. We are not as good. Believe me, Rios, Daubach, Konerko, Alomar, Harris, Lee, et al would not make the Rockies, and they are about a .500 team I couldn't disagree more...and, believe me, I've been telling myself that we are not good for a long-ass time to alleviate the enourmous disappointment, but I see too much talent on this team. It would be intellectually lazy and easy, IMO, to dismiss this team as "mediocre" talent-wise (as people like bmr and a few others seem to be doing). We are not the Yankees, of course, but we are just as talented as Seattle Mariners and Oakland A's. Easily...and that's what's so upsetting to me. YMMV. Example: foegt about 2000 for a second...in 1999 we had a team full of unknown youngsters and next to no payroll (half of it was Frank Thomas and he went on the DL for the last 2 months, lol!) and yet we were one bad streak away from finishing at .500. This year we are projected to be worse than that record-wise despite having a twice as much talent. If that's not "severe underachievemnt", I don't know what is... Are you saying Konerko, Crede and Lee tapped out at 23 that year? And Garland at 21 in 2001? Buerhle at 22 last year? Magglio at 28? Etc, etc, etc. Dude i said 85 wins and i think i was overly optimistic. OF COURSE this team has talent, what team DOESNT? They have talent and theyre about as mentally weak as a team gets. MAYBE a good manager could squeez 87 wins out of this team, but i doubt it now. They look worse than i had imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Like i have said 1000 times(and what a surprise, once again i was right), this team has WAY WAY WAY too many holes, to win consistently. Like was mentioned earlier. Guys like Lee, jimenez, valentin, rowand and harris are bench players on most good teams. Our rotation is decent, our offense is much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 They look worse than i had imagined Considering that (unlike the sad 2001 campaign when half of our leaders went down) we are a healthy team and adding to it the truly weak-ass schedule we had in April this year...I'd say we looked WAY worse than I ever imagined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 18, 2003 Share Posted May 18, 2003 Hey where are those guys at who called me a moron for prediciting 2 or 3 losses on Minnesota? Does anyone notice how OFTEN i am right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hey where are those guys at who called me a moron for prediciting 2 or 3 losses on Minnesota? Does anyone notice how OFTEN i am right? Hell than start predicting we'll win the world series if you're right all the tiem. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hell than start predicting we'll win the world series if you're right all the tiem. CWSOX45 I make objective predictions and observations. Some fans would benefit from doing the same. I mean for real, i saw 100 plus win predictions in March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hell than start predicting we'll win the world series if you're right all the tiem. CWSOX45 I make objective predictions and observations. Some fans would benefit from doing the same. I mean for real, i saw 100 plus win predictions in March. Well aren't you special. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hell than start predicting we'll win the world series if you're right all the tiem. CWSOX45 I make objective predictions and observations. Some fans would benefit from doing the same. I mean for real, i saw 100 plus win predictions in March. Well aren't you special. CWSOX45 THANKS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hey where are those guys at who called me a moron for prediciting 2 or 3 losses on Minnesota? Does anyone notice how OFTEN i am right? I didn't say you were a moron. I just yelled at you for being so negative (honest). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 I didn't say you were a moron. I just yelled at you for being so negative (honest). I am only negative about the sox because they suck! Now ask me about the Bulls future and id get all excited on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 I am only negative about the sox because they suck! Now ask me about the Bulls future and id get all excited on you. Ewwwuuu.. please don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 19, 2003 Share Posted May 19, 2003 Ewwwuuu.. please don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Ewwwuuu.. please don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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