SSH2005 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=cita...adel&type=story The rumor goes that the Cubs are close to finalizing a seven player deal with the Texas Rangers that would bring Alfonso Soriano and Kevin Mench to the Cubs in exchange for Jerome Williams , Todd Walker , and three minor leaguers, one of whom is believed to be right hander David Aardsma , and another shortstop Ronny Cedeno . According to our source the two clubs have agreed on which players would be dealt, but what is holding it up is exactly what kind of deal Soriano will want in Chicago. He would likely command a deal similar to Furcal's, and while his addition would solidify the infield, and first four spots in the batting order, there are questions about whether or not the Cubs would be willing to shell out a pair of $100 deals in two weeks to two players. This part of the article makes it sound like bulls***: ITI has learned from a source close to the Cubs that free agent shortstop Raphael Furcal and the Cubs have all but finalized a deal that will bring the shortstop to Chicago for the next five years, with a mutual option for a sixth year. The source told ITI that the deal could pay Furcal as much as $100 million including the sixth year and "significant performance bonuses" that included winning a batting title, the stolen base title, and a bonus if he plays in 150 games for each of the first three years of his contract. Furcal for $100 million? Yeah right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Soriano = Sosa returns to Cubs. Offense, K's, no hustle, no D. The Furcal stuff sounds like Grade A Bulls***. Could they be that desperate to one up the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 The Cubs would win this trade easy, in essence they'd be trading LaTroy Hawkins, Todd Walker, Ronnie Cedeno + 2 Spects for Alfonso Soriano and Kevin Mench That's 1 great offensive player and 1 very good offensive player for 2 pitchers they got for Hawkins, Todd Walker who isn't nearly as good as Soriano and some prospects like Cedeno and probably 2 pitchers. If this trade did go through, it would be a good trade for the Cubs to boost their offense though they reallly should be worrying a little more about their starting pitching at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Another question to ask: Why do the Rangers always seem to be trying to trade Soriano? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 10:34 AM) Another question to ask: Why do the Rangers always seem to be trying to trade Soriano? They have enough offense and bad deffense to make up for the loss of Soriano. They need pitching more than anything and Soriano should be able to bring them that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 (edited) Another question to ask: Why do the Rangers always seem to be trying to trade Soriano? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They have a good shortstop prospect in Joaquin Arias so they could just move Michael Young to second base. Soriano would need to be re-signed and would get a lot of money via arbitration, maybe around $9 million. They need to spend their money on pitching. Soriano is one of the most overrated players in baseball. Edited November 26, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) They have a good shortstop prospect in Joaquin Arias so they could just move Michael Young to second base. Soriano would need to be re-signed and would get a lot of money via arbitration, maybe around $9 million. They need to spend their money on pitching. Soriano is one of the most overrated players in baseball. Thanks. Didn't know about the Rangers SS prospect. Also, I agree that Soraino is overrated (Yankee syndrome) and will be sickly overpaid. I would encourage the Cubs to do it with Soriano's K's and defense. Welcome back Sammy! Will Soriano blow kisses to the bleach bums though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Wow. Furcal for that much? They're on crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 05:04 PM) Wow. Furcal for that much? They're on crack. desperation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 This sounds like complete crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 10:18 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=cita...adel&type=story This part of the article makes it sound like bulls***: Furcal for $100 million? Yeah right. ITI has learned from a source close to the Cubs that free agent shortstop Raphael Furcal and the Cubs have all but finalized a deal that will bring the shortstop to Chicago for the next five years, with a mutual option for a sixth year. The source told ITI that the deal could pay Furcal as much as $100 million including the sixth year and "significant performance bonuses" that included winning a batting title, the stolen base title, and a bonus if he plays in 150 games for each of the first three years of his contract. Good call ITI. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 what journalist writes this in an article. Be afraid, be very afraid. The only obvious weakness would appear to be the lack of a left handed bat in the middle of the order, but a quality, older, cheaper, left handed hitting corner outfielder could provide that at least some of the time, and it might not matter. Yes, the starting pitching will remain in question as long as perennially injured Kerry Wood is still penciled into the rotation, and the trading of Williams would nix one of the top options for temp duty during Wood's inevitable time on the shelf, but the opportunity to assemble a lineup like this comes rarely (unless you're the Yankees). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 hmm well lets see, they would still need a ss, a healthy third basemen, an outfield in general, and more bulllpen help and a starter, yeah good luck tryin to fill those roles cubs, and the wait continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Lol, ITI has no inside info. There is no truth to Furcal getting a 100 mill deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Wow if the Cubs do this they will be really good. I bet if he is on a team that is good Soriano will put forth a solid effort and that infield would be awesome with Barrett, Dlee, Soriano, Furcal, and Ramirez. Not exactly sure of their OF Murton in LF, Mench in RF, but who plays CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 26, 2005 -> 06:35 PM) Wow if the Cubs do this they will be really good. I bet if he is on a team that is good Soriano will put forth a solid effort and that infield would be awesome with Barrett, Dlee, Soriano, Furcal, and Ramirez. Not exactly sure of their OF Murton in LF, Mench in RF, but who plays CF? Since Patterson is not involved in any deals....that's their CF...hitting 7th or 8th. I don't see the Rangers going for that deal unless P Rich Hill is involved. Why would you downgrade from Soriano to Walker (his defense is not that great either) and give up Mench for a bunch of crap? However you cut it, 30-30 or possibly even 40-40 guys like Soriano are very rare. Cubs pitching: Two top of the rotation guys in Prior and Zambrano, an adequate 3 and 4 with Maddux and Rusch and its that dreaded 5th spot. Don't count on Wood being healthy so its off to the FA pool to find a cheap, Loiza-type to fill out the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 28, 2005 Share Posted November 28, 2005 More cubs propaganda, every trade/signing I have about this seem to be from a cubs fans mouth. s***, I heard a guy say Pierre/Castillo for Murton and Guzman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Mench is an overrated offensive player. This year, in 557 ABs, he put up a .264/.328/.469 line -- that's decent, but barely above league average (good for a 106 OPS+). Soriano isn't much of an upgrade over Walker, either. Neither are good defensively, and the past two years, Walker has been the better offensive player. Sure, he's older, but by only a couple of years -- and Walker makes $5 million less than Soriano. Plus, the Rangers would get Cedeno + Aardsma + others? Nice deal for Texas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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