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If this deal went through...it would probably make the Cubs a better team.

 

But then again...how difficult is it to improve on a season when you finish behind the rapidly improving Brewers?

 

Hopefully, John Hart is smart enough to rake the Cubs over the coals a little bit if they're going to get Soriano off of the Rangers along with other bats. He could have gotten a ton from a team like the Twinkies for Soriano during last season if he was willing to move him.

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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 12:16 AM)
If this deal went through...it would probably make the Cubs a better team.

 

But then again...how difficult is it to improve on a season when you finish behind the rapidly improving Brewers?

 

Hopefully, John Hart is smart enough to rake the Cubs over the coals a little bit if they're going to get Soriano off of the Rangers along with other bats.  He could have gotten a ton from a team like the Twinkies for Soriano during last season if he was willing to move him.

 

Hart is no longer the Texas GM.

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Quick questions:

 

Is Furcal done with his DUIs? He was convicted twice and I think he spent some time in jail. Will the contract include a 'keeper' to get him to the park on time like the Black Hawks tried with Theo Fluery?

 

If they got Soriano and Todd Walker is not part of the deal, will that assure Walker a roster spot as a late inning 2B defensive replacement?

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QUOTE(TLAK @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 07:53 AM)
Quick questions:

 

Is Furcal done with his DUIs?  He was convicted twice and I think he spent some time in jail.  Will the contract include a 'keeper' to get him to the park on time like the Black Hawks tried with Theo Fluery?

 

If they got Soriano and Todd Walker is not part of the deal, will that assure Walker a roster spot as a late inning 2B defensive replacement?

Walker might keep a spot as a pinch hitter/spot starter, but a defensive specialist? I'd doubt it.

He's better defensively than he gets credit for, but I wouldn't label him a late-inning defensive guy. His range is adequate at best, and he is just OK at turning the DP. His hands are pretty good, but I'd say he's always around more for his bat than his glove.

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QUOTE(YASNY @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 10:44 AM)
Hart is no longer the Texas GM.

 

my neighbor at college's best friend is actually the brother the new Texas GM, i know that seems like a lot of connections but it was pretty cool when it was announced when he was talkin to the guy to congratulate him.

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QUOTE(The Critic @ Nov 27, 2005 -> 02:24 PM)
Walker might keep a spot as a pinch hitter/spot starter, but a defensive specialist? I'd doubt it.

He's better defensively than he gets credit for, but I wouldn't label him a late-inning defensive guy. His range is adequate at best, and he is just OK at turning the DP. His hands are pretty good, but I'd say he's always around more for his bat than his glove.

Actually, he sucks at turning DP's.

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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2005 -> 12:49 PM)
The Cubs have abou $30 million or so to spend in the worst FA market I can remember, and they are doing everything they can to spend it.  Hopefully they will waste all of their flexibility too.

 

It's a good thing there's no pressure on the Cubs. :lol:

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I f***ing hate Bobby Howry. Worry about your own damn team and talk about trying to help them get to the World Series. Not Sox Fans. He did this crap last year to.

And he won't have to be jealous of the Cubs' popularity any more. Howry played for the White Sox from 1998-2002 before he was dealt to the Boston Red Sox.

 

"You'd look across town and the Cubs weren't winning, but they were selling out all the time," Howry said.

 

Wait a minute -- the White Sox won the World Series this year. The Cubs have the longest drought in the Major Leagues, not winning a championship since 1908. Shouldn't he be backing his former South Side teammates?

 

"It was nice to see them win it," Howry said of the White Sox. "I think it's good for the city. But even though they won the World Series -- that's great and they may get a few more fans and sell more tickets, but it's still a Cubs town. It's not going to change."

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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 07:40 PM)
I f***ing hate Bobby Howry.  Worry about your own damn team and talk about trying to help them get to the World Series.  Not Sox Fans.  He did this crap last year to.

what he said is the truth.

he was probably asked about it.....i don't see anything wrong with what he said.

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QUOTE(SnB @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 07:42 PM)
what he said is the truth.

he was probably asked about it.....i don't see anything wrong with what he said.

no because he said this stuff during the cleveland series in September here. Plus he should at least know what he is talking about. It is not the truth. This is neither a Cubs or Sox town. It's a Bears Town and it has been (except for the Bulls Championship days) and will be for a long time. Edited by White Sox Josh
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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:43 AM)
no because he said this stuff during the cleveland series in September here.  Plus he should at least know what he is talking about.  It is not the truth.  This is neither a Cubs or Sox town.  It's a Bears Town and it has been (except for the Bulls Championship days) and will be for a long time.

 

He was obviously refering to baseball. He is a baseball player so why would he bring up football in the equation? Wow man you worry way 2 much you need to sit back and relax... maybe have a couple :drink

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QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 02:19 AM)
He was obviously refering to baseball.  He is a baseball player so why would he bring up football in the equation?  Wow man you worry way 2 much you need to sit back and relax... maybe have a couple  :drink

sorry not old enough yet. But most people drink who go to my high school though. I don't.
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what he said is the truth.

he was probably asked about it.....i don't see anything wrong with what he said.

 

dude how can you defend this asshole? you call yourself a sox fan?

 

howry was a chump when he was with us, and he will always be a bum in my book.

 

for the record, will you confirm for me that you are a sox fan who is saying that chicago is and will always be a cubs town?? maybe its just me, but my balls would get sucked up into my body if i even said what you said out loud. blasphemy!

:gosox3: (notice the logo is for the white sox, not the cubs)

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QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 12:03 PM)
There really is no pressure on the cubs...their stupid f***ing fans will still fill their crappy ballpark, even when the cubs are 10 games out in May.

True enough, but if ( when ) the Sox start making annual runs at the playoffs, the tide will shift. There is some pressure on the Cubs to get *THERE*, especially since they came sooooooooooo clooooooooooooooose a couple years ago. The Sox winning it all raised the expectation level amongst KNOWLEDGABLE Cub fans ( yes, they exist.....YES, they DO......YES.....ENOUGH!!! ) :D

The smart Cub fans I know ( YES, THEY DO.....STOP IT!!!! ) are not all that impressed with the Cubs' offseason thus far. Even if Furcal is their "big fish", they tell me that they'd rather see the Cubs deal Korey Patterson, acquire some starting pitching depth and increase team speed and defense ( SOUND FAMILIAR?? heh heh ).

The Centennial approacheth, and no Cub fan I know wants to celebrate 100 Years Of Futility.

( Oooooooh, now THAT would make a nice t-shirt design..... )

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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 07:40 PM)
I f***ing hate Bobby Howry.  Worry about your own damn team and talk about trying to help them get to the World Series.  Not Sox Fans.  He did this crap last year to.

 

It is still a Cubs town...but the margin of Cubs to Sox fans is narrowing quickly.

 

I also figure Chicago is the Cubs' to lose...if they continue to be a mediocre/disappointing team, continue to finish behind St. Louis, Houston, and an up and coming Milwaukee team, while the Sox continue to win and make playoff appearances and be in the thick of things year in and year out along with USCF continuing to look better year after year, you will see the tide shift.

 

Perhaps more quickly than some think...and perhaps not nearly as quickly as some think.

 

 

 

BTW...I personally don't consider Howry a "chump." Not only has the guy come back from arm surgery and become a very good reliever again, but I also remember him as a guy that's not afraid to ever throw inside. In 2002, his last year with the Sox, he hit Torii Hunter in the chest when Hunter appeared to be leaning in, and while I'm not necessarily for hitting players all the time(though I do feel some times call for it), that was a time where Howry thought Hunter was leaning out over the plate, and he made him pay.

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QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 07:56 AM)
I don't want to see them get Furcal.  I want them to fizzle the remaining off-season.  I want to see them continue to wallow in mediocrity.  f*** you Cubs!  :finger

If they didnt get furcal, the next player they went after would be the headline on espn.com and in the tribune as the best player ever. Its a cubs thing.

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