NBA Top Ten

[hammerhead johnson]

1) Marcus Camby 13.9 RPG

2) Dwight Howard 12.6 RPG

3) Shawn Marion 12.5 RPG

4) Tim Duncan 11.9 RPG

5) Ben Wallace 11.9 RPG

6) Antawn Jamison 11.2 RPG

7) Chris Bosh 10.5 RPG

8) Kevin Garnett 10.5 RPG

9) Elton Brand 10.3 RPG

10) Tyson Chandler 10.2 RPG

10) Jermaine O'Neal 10.2 RPG

 

Antawn Jamison is averaging 15 RPG over his last four games. He has had damn near 10 rebounds by halftime a number of times already. IMO, the only thing holding him back from superstar status is his inability to alter shots out of the PF slot. You can score on sweet Antawn without much of a problem. There is no denying that he has been unbelievable this year when you consider his overall impact, though. Game Log

 

At the moment, you couldn't find a more devastating shot-altering force in the NBA than Marcus Camby. The guy is just insane, and if Nene and Kenyon Martin were healthy, the Nuggets would still be my pick to play the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals.

 

Dwight Howard's last six games:

18 Rebounds vs. Portland

7 Rebounds vs. Washington (foul trouble)

17 Rebounds vs. New Orleans

15 Rebounds vs. Cleveland

20 Rebounds vs. Charlotte

16 Rebounds vs. Cleveland

 

If not for Camby, Dwight would have a terrific shot at leading the league in rebounding this year at the age of 19. This guy is going to be a legend.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Antawn Jamison is averaging 15 RPG over his last four games.  He has had damn near 10 rebounds by halftime a number of times already.  IMO, the only thing holding him back from superstar status is his inability to alter shots out of the PF slot.  You can score on sweet Antawn without much of a problem.  There is no denying that he has been unbelievable this year when you consider his overall impact, though.  Game Log 

 

Yep. I expected his numbers to go up with Hughes leaving.

 

At the moment, you couldn't find a more devastating shot-altering force in the NBA than Marcus Camby.  The guy is just insane, and if Nene and Kenyon Martin were healthy, the Nuggets would still be my pick to play the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals.

 

And he's already missed a game due to injury.

 

He's having a great start, but damn is he way too fragile.

 

If not for Camby, Dwight would have a terrific shot at leading the league in rebounding this year at the age of 19.  This guy is going to be a legend.

 

Yep. He's looking so good at such a young age. Another reason why I no longer have high hopes for a high school guy like the ones we have/had. If you're good, you'll produce early. Be prepared to be very disappointed with such high hopes that you have for Tyson.

 

1) Marcus Camby 13.9 RPG

2) Dwight Howard 12.6 RPG

3) Shawn Marion 12.5 RPG

4) Tim Duncan 11.9 RPG

5) Ben Wallace 11.9 RPG

6) Antawn Jamison 11.2 RPG

7) Chris Bosh 10.5 RPG

8) Kevin Garnett 10.5 RPG

9) Elton Brand 10.3 RPG

10) Tyson Chandler 10.2 RPG

10) Jermaine O'Neal 10.2 RPG

 

Now here's the guy you should be talking about. Brand is looking GREAT this season. (Yeah, I'll never forgive the Bulls organization for such a horrible trade.) He's definitely a huge part of why the Clippers are off to such a good start.

 

23.5 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 2.75 Blocks Per Game.

 

Now those are superstar PF numbers.

[hammerhead johnson]

If you're good, you'll produce early.  Be prepared to be very disappointed with such high hopes that you have for Tyson.

 

 

Well, I'm not so sure about that. The only high schoolers who have produced eye-popping numbers right off the bat in recent years have been Garnett and Howard. It takes much longer for certain guys to develop. Some guys are immensely talented, and they never work out due to a lack of heart/work ethic. As you know, Tyson has as big of a heart as any other player on the Bulls, and that's saying something with guys like Hinrich and Duhon in the picture. Like I said the other day, combine that with his rare combination of size and agility, plus his mean streak, and you should have a defensive monster similar to that of Marcus Camby, Theo Ratliff, Dikembe Mutombo, etc. He ain't never gonna be as strong as Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman, but whatever.

 

And Brand is a respectable shot-altering force, but make no mistake about one thing. Teams want to attack him. Guys are gonna make plenty of shots over him because he's undersized, and his leaping ability is somewhat limited. He's not, nor will he ever be an elite defensive player. Tyson will be. More often than not, I'll say could be, but in Tyson's case, there is not a doubt in my mind that he'll go down with Pippen, Rodman, Jordan, Sloan, etc as one of the finest defenders in the history of the Chicago Bulls (barring any unfortunate injuries).

 

And as far as Camby missing a game, that's fine. He'll probably play somewhere in the neighborhood of 68-74 games, which may very well be enough for him to win the rebounding title.

[DBAHO]

Dwight's already a monster, but just wait until he actually develops a low post game.

 

At least we're actually utizilizing him more this season, and in the past few games, it's starting to pay off.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Well, I'm not so sure about that.  The only high schoolers who have produced eye-popping numbers right off the bat in recent years have been Garnett and Howard.  It takes much longer for certain guys to develop.  Some guys are immensely talented, and they never work out due to a lack of heart/work ethic.  As you know, Tyson has as big of a heart as any other player on the Bulls, and that's saying something with guys like Hinrich and Duhon in the picture.  Like I said the other day, combine that with his rare combination of size and agility, plus his mean streak, and you should have a defensive monster similar to that of Marcus Camby, Theo Ratliff, Dikembe Mutombo, etc.  He ain't never gonna be as strong as Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman, but whatever.

 

And Brand is a respectable shot-altering force, but make no mistake about one thing.  Teams want to attack him.  Guys are gonna make plenty of shots over him because he's undersized, and his leaping ability is somewhat limited.  He's not, nor will he ever be an elite defensive player.  Tyson will be.  More often than not, I'll say could be, but in Tyson's case, there is not a doubt in my mind that he'll go down with Pippen, Rodman, Jordan, Sloan, etc as one of the finest defenders in the history of the Chicago Bulls (barring any unfortunate injuries).

 

And as far as Camby missing a game, that's fine.  He'll probably play somewhere in the neighborhood of 68-74 games, which may very well be enough for him to win the rebounding title.

 

I used the wrong words. What I meant is that even though guys like Jermaine O'Neal who was toiling deep at the end of a bench on a veteran Blazers team, a very young T-Mac clearly in the shadow of VC in Toronto, and Kobe coming off the bench early on in LA, the potential was shining through much more than with Tyson. Their rookie numbers weren't eye-popping, but their potential seemed that way. They had a certain buzz. The word around the league was that they had the potential to blow up into superstars, and Tyson clearly does not have that type of buzz. There's a reason for that...

 

And it's funny you should mention heart, because I firmly believe that Brand plays with much, much, much more heart, intensity, and desire than Tyson does. I've been fortunate enough to catch a couple of games of his already this season, and he definitely looks much stronger, tougher, and more talented than Tyson. He may be undersized, but he gets pushed around a lot less than Tyson. I don't think anyone associated with the Clippers will mind him being challenged as long as he keeps swatting close to 3 shots per game and the Clippers keep winning. It'll be fun to watch him make his first All-Star team.

 

I respect your prediction, but I am going to prefer watch him make at least one All-Defensive Team before I even think of mentioning him in the same sentence as Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman defensively. I just don't see it at all, but for the sake of the Bulls, I hope you're even halfway right. Don't forget to keep in mind that this is already his FIFTH season...

[DBAHO]

Dwight Howard's line tonight; 15 points, 16 boards, 4 blocks.

 

Oh and another Magic win, this time over the Heat.

 

Zo had 21 boards tonight in opposition. Needless to say, he's picked up the slack for Shaq pretty well.

[Spiff]

1) Marcus Camby 13.9 RPG

2) Dwight Howard 12.6 RPG

3) Shawn Marion 12.5 RPG 

4) Tim Duncan 11.9 RPG 

5) Ben Wallace 11.9 RPG 

6) Antawn Jamison 11.2 RPG 

7) Chris Bosh 10.5 RPG

8) Kevin Garnett 10.5 RPG 

9) Elton Brand 10.3 RPG

10) Tyson Chandler 10.2 RPG

10) Jermaine O'Neal 10.2 RPG

 

Antawn Jamison is averaging 15 RPG over his last four games.  He has had damn near 10 rebounds by halftime a number of times already.  IMO, the only thing holding him back from superstar status is his inability to alter shots out of the PF slot.  You can score on sweet Antawn without much of a problem.  There is no denying that he has been unbelievable this year when you consider his overall impact, though.  Game Log 

 

At the moment, you couldn't find a more devastating shot-altering force in the NBA than Marcus Camby.  The guy is just insane, and if Nene and Kenyon Martin were healthy, the Nuggets would still be my pick to play the Spurs in the Western Conference Finals.

 

Not pictured - any Boston Celtic. In fact, the Celtic closest to the top is Paul Pierce at 25th (8.4 per). :headshake

 

Blount got a DNP last night because he refuses to play defense. They started Kendrick Perkins of all people at center and he at least got 6 rebs in 25 minutes. But this team has no defense, no rebounding, and no solid point guard (even moreso now that Delonte is hurt). They lost to Atlanta on the road and followed that up by barely beating Charlotte at home. Impressive.

 

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[knightni]

Now here's the guy you should be talking about.  Brand is looking GREAT this season.  (Yeah, I'll never forgive the Bulls organization for such a horrible trade.) 

 

 

So, Brand for Chandler was a bad deal?

 

It seems to me that Chandler's been doing alright for himself. Plus he's a lot younger than Brand putting up the numbers that he is.

 

 

 

PS - Brand wouldn't know how to play defense if the opposing player fell in front of him.

[DBAHO]

Plus he's a lot younger than Brand putting up the numbers that he is.

Uhh knight;

 

Brand - 23.5/10.3/2.8

Chandler - 5.9/9.9/0.8

[qwerty]

So, Brand for Chandler was a bad deal?

 

It seems to me that Chandler's been doing alright for himself. Plus he's a lot younger than Brand putting up the numbers that he is.

PS - Brand wouldn't know how to play defense if the opposing player fell in front of him.

 

Or he is one of the best big man defenders in league. Top 10-15 defender in the league and has been for years now.

Edited November 27, 2005 by qwerty

[SSH2005]

So, Brand for Chandler was a bad deal?

 

It seems to me that Chandler's been doing alright for himself. Plus he's a lot younger than Brand putting up the numbers that he is.

PS - Brand wouldn't know how to play defense if the opposing player fell in front of him.

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Give me Brand over Chandler any day of the week. Chandler is looking like a complete bust this season. He will never be a top center in the NBA.

[Kyyle23]

He will never be a top center in the NBA.

 

Who ever said Chandler was going to be a top center in the NBA? Chandler needs to play defense and get rebounds, thats all anyone has asked of him. Chandler is a known quantity now, any sort of offense you can squeeze out of him is just gravy, he isnt expected to contribute alot of points every game.

 

Chandler is looking like a complete bust this season.

 

How is he looking like a bust?

[SSH2005]

Who ever said Chandler was going to be a top center in the NBA?  Chandler needs to play defense and get rebounds, thats all anyone has asked of him.  Chandler is a known quantity now, any sort of offense you can squeeze out of him is just gravy, he isnt expected to contribute alot of points every game. 

How is he looking like a bust?

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I'd like a little more than 5.7 points per game from him. He should be a double double guy at least.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

So, Brand for Chandler was a bad deal?

 

It seems to me that Chandler's been doing alright for himself. Plus he's a lot younger than Brand putting up the numbers that he is.

PS - Brand wouldn't know how to play defense if the opposing player fell in front of him.

 

Wow...just wow...

 

I'll just assume you're a big Bulls fan and haven't seen very much, if any, of Brand.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

How is he looking like a bust?

 

Well, I could give you stats...or show you game tape of him oftentimes getting pushed around on D, looking lost on O, silly fouls...I could cite you his injury problems...

 

Take your pick?

 

I'll freely admit that he has bright spots, but after 5 seasons I'm ready to see more than potential and upside.

 

If you're taken with the number two pick in the draft and the guy you were traded for is an All-Star-caliber player putting up solid, consistent numbers, then if your numbers and game looks subpar I'm more than willing to say you're looking like a bust so far.

[Jordan4life_2007]

People need to get over the Brand/Chandler trade. We were terrible when we had Brand. He wanted out of Chicago the first chance he got anyway. How many times have the Clippers made the playoffs with Brand? Don't get me wrong, I like Brand. But we didn't trade Shaq, Duncan or KG. People act like Tyson has been a bum. As shown earlier, he's still in the top 10 or so in boards. Tyson will NEVER be a great offensive player. He's got horrible hands, foot work, ect. His stregnths are boards, blocked shots and defense. As long as he's doing those things, he's fine.

Edited November 27, 2005 by Jordan4life_2005

[Chisoxfn]

Or he is one of the best big man defenders in league. Top 10-15 defender in the league and has been for years now.

Especially this year. The guy is in some kind of shape.

[Chisoxfn]

People need to get over the Brand/Chandler trade.  We were terrible when we had Brand.  He wanted out of Chicago the first chance he got anyway.  How many times have the Clippers made the playoffs with Brand?  Don't get me wrong,  I like Brand.  But we didn't trade Shaq,  Duncan or KG.  People act like Tyson has been a bum.  As shown earlier,  he's still in the top 10 or so in boards.  Tyson will NEVER be a great offensive player.  He's got horrible hands,  foot work,  ect.  His stregnths are boards,  blocked shots and defense.  As long as he's doing those things,  he's fine.

Brand did not want out of Chicago.

[Jordan4life_2007]

Brand did not want out of Chicago.

 

I read in multiple newspapers at the time that Brand wanted out of Chicago as soon as his rookie contract was up. The losing had become too much for him. Especially for a guy that spent his college career at Duke.

[Chisoxfn]

I read in multiple newspapers at the time that Brand wanted out of Chicago as soon as his rookie contract was up.  The losing had become too much for him.  Especially for a guy that spent his college career at Duke.

I remember he was quite sad with the trade and there was some talk that even after the trade that he wanted to come back to Chicago (this was the talk out here in LA) when he became a FA.

 

The Bulls were just never in a position to get him back and the Clips are finally good.

[Jordan4life_2007]

I remember he was quite sad with the trade and there was some talk that even after the trade that he wanted to come back to Chicago (this was the talk out here in LA) when he became a FA.

 

The Bulls were just never in a position to get him back and the Clips are finally good.

 

Alright, I'm not saying you're lying, I just know what I read and heard here in Chicago. I just think people need to let it go. The Bulls won 47 games and made the playoffs last year. We have a chance to match that and maybe even win a round this year. People need to focus on that.

[Chisoxfn]

Alright,  I'm not saying you're lying,  I just know what I read and heard here in Chicago.  I just think people need to let it go.  The Bulls won 47 games and made the playoffs last year.  We have a chance to match that and maybe even win a round this year.  People need to focus on that.

I wasn't commenting on it. Whats done is done. I hated dealing Artest (I loved that guy), but he ain't coming back.

 

Chandler isn't near as bad as some of you fools say he is. I just hope he's healthy because he's a key to the improvement of this team. He's got the ability to be a DOMINANT defender.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

I wasn't commenting on it.  Whats done is done.  I hated dealing Artest (I loved that guy), but he ain't coming back.

 

Chandler isn't near as bad as some of you fools say he is.  I just hope he's healthy because he's a key to the improvement of this team.  He's got the ability to be a DOMINANT defender.

 

Nor is he as good as some fools say...

 

My comment was that I disliked it and continue to dislike it. I don't dwell on it.

 

For the sake of the Bulls, I hope he reaches that potential. I like him but am frustrated of waiting for consistency as this is his fifth season. Hurry up and break out the way people are saying you can. I'll be very excited if he does.

 

And Brand has never struck me as a guy who wanted out. Did he hate the losing? Yes, and you want the type of player who hates to lose. I do remember him seeming sad about being traded (I can still picture him on the news in a white tee and jeans walking out with his stuff packed up) and I can't recall him saying he would bolt at first chance.

[Spiff]

What it comes down to is, would you rather have Brand or Chandler right now? 10 out of 10 would take Brand.

[hammerhead johnson]

Not pictured - any Boston Celtic.  In fact, the Celtic closest to the top is Paul Pierce at 25th (8.4 per). :headshake

 

Blount got a DNP last night because he refuses to play defense.  They started Kendrick Perkins of all people at center and he at least got 6 rebs in 25 minutes.  But this team has no defense, no rebounding, and no solid point guard (even moreso now that Delonte is hurt).  They lost to Atlanta on the road and followed that up by barely beating Charlotte at home.  Impressive.

 

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Teams in half-assed rebuilding mode are always totally f***ed it seems.

 

Imagine what they could get in exchange for Pierce, Davis, Lafrentz, and perhaps Blount in trades. They'd pick up some terrible expiring contracts, but whatever. Combine the talent that they would get through the draft or otherwise, and add it to this depth chart:

 

PG: Banks, West

SG: Allen, Greene

SF: Green

PF: Jefferson

C: Perkins

 

While Delonte West ain't much of a PG, he can spell Banks, and he can also play some 2 when the opposing team has a small SG on the court. He could be an excellent shooter, but he lacks some of the key characteristics of your prototypical PG. He's not all that good at bringing the ball up the court, penetrating, on-the-ball defense, etc. Banks, however, could be a top 5 defensive PG in the NBA (Watson, Tinsley, Duhon, etc) when he finally starts to get his s*** together. I'll be watching him closely.

 

Tony Allen is already close to being an elite perimiter defender, but his case has been one of the saddest stories of the NBA thus far. What in the world is going on with this guy? When he returns, will Rivers even play him much?

 

That's another thing too. Rivers should be coaching veterans, not babies (in NBA terms). He has little to no patience when it comes to grooming young players. He's a total misfit.

 

Perkins could be one hell of a paint defender in time. Green and Jefferson could average 20+ points per season when they peak. I used to think Ainge was completely retarded, but he knows how to spot talent. He ain't no Jim Paxson, that's for sure.