NorthSideSox72 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 I have seen stories from all sorts of media pundits about where PK is going. They are all conflicting, and there is no telling who might be right. Bottom line for me: KW still says, repeatedly, that he thinks PK will likely come back. I doubt he'd say that if there was anything less than a good chance, lest he make himself look like an idiot. And I'll take words from KW over any media folks any time. Therefore, I'm still betting he's coming back. Better than a 50-50 chance, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If there is any base to those offers, I think the White Sox can certainly hold their own when it comes to ponying-up for Paulie. I've gone on record saying I would hand PK a 5 Year, $65M deal today. You never really know with JR. After Paulie brought his club a World Championship after 88 years and the little last-out ball gesture at the parade, he may be willing to give Paulie the contract and bring the face of the franchise--outside Ozzie Guillen--back. It may just come down to if Paulie sees himself living in the midwest and playing for the White Sox for what seems to be the latter-part of his career. If Paulie wants to be a Sox, and the organization is able to give him the deal he is looking for, he'll be back. Come back, Paulie. You're certainly Plan A and I don't even want to think about what types of moves would be made during the executions of Plan B, C, D, etc. Gotta have you back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 09:37 AM) Rick Hahn (sp?) had a quote on the Score that said they would take the money and spend it on other players, which might be a no brainer, but it's good to hear. What other players? There's really no other option available at all this year for PK's money, and aside from 1b, we don't really have any obvious places in our lineup to put someone. Are we gonna remove Podsednik now? Dye? Uribe? Crede? And who's available to fill those slots? After 2006, yeah there's a good free agent crop, probably led by the Lee's, but seriously...who is out there this year who could provide anything close to what we'd be losing by letting PK walk? Furthermore, how in the name of Hell would we expect to be able to beat the Angels next year if they run both Vlad and PK at you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) What other players? There's really no other option available at all this year for PK's money, and aside from 1b, we don't really have any obvious places in our lineup to put someone. Are we gonna remove Podsednik now? Dye? Uribe? Crede? And who's available to fill those slots? After 2006, yeah there's a good free agent crop, probably led by the Lee's, but seriously...who is out there this year who could provide anything close to what we'd be losing by letting PK walk? Furthermore, how in the name of Hell would we expect to be able to beat the Angels next year if they run both Vlad and PK at you? You can never have too much pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) You can never have too much pitching Ok, who's available to pitch? Right now we have 6 starting pitchers, a full bullpen, and the only real quality bullpen guys have already been grabbed (aside from basically Wickman). Seriously...for us to hire pitching, we'd have to find someone who's a better option than the guys we have now, and there's not a single pitcher on the market other than AJ Burnett who even comes close, and given that he'd cost almost as much as PK and he wouldn't really be better than anyone in our staff except MAYBE Garcia...that answer doesn't tell me anything. You can have too much pitching if you have so much pitching that you can't throw guys out there, and you can have too much pitching if you have so much you can't afford an offense (for example; Minnesota last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpringfieldFan Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 The White Sox are now in a new category: an October team. The goal is not merely making the playoffs; it is reaching the WS and repeating. That said, personnel moves should focus on getting the final ingredients that can win the Series. I was at game 2. Konerko is an "ingredient". When you look at all his stats, he might not be worth the cost for most teams because they might well not get a team to the playoffs if they wouldn't make it otherwise. However, once in the playoffs (as the Sox now expect to do), Paulie becomes that almost priceless final piece that can deliver a championship. Other players (or groups thereof) may yield better stats over a season, but how many can do what Konerko did on the biggest stage? Last year Vlad couldn't, A-Rod couldn't, Manny couldn't, Andrew couldn't... SFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 03:53 PM) Well, there's always money in the banana stand. You know with the nice newbig contract paulie will get he will be able to buy alot of 6000 dollar suits COME ON....... and by the way they are taking it off the air....yea i know its BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 is it just me or does every other person around have a Family Guy avatar? My god.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) is it just me or does every other person around have a Family Guy avatar? My god.... Its just you. I only see two people with one right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 01:25 PM) At 29, he would be younger than Thome at the end of this contract. I don't have a problem going 5 with Paul, depending on the total dollars. I was expecting 4/$52-$55 so 5/for about the same dollars seems reasonable. Of course he should be offering a home town discount and is he doesn't sign he's a greedy asshole. *He'll be 30 before Opening Day 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(DABearSoX @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 04:45 PM) You know with the nice newbig contract paulie will get he will be able to buy alot of 6000 dollar suits COME ON....... and by the way they are taking it off the air....yea i know its BS He can also buy a s*** load of ding dongs. Hopefully he'll remember to take the foil wrappers off when he puts them in the microwave. Man, I'm gonna miss that show! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(longshot7 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) is it just me or does every other person around have a Family Guy avatar? My god.... I just post a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Sox Josh Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 04:02 PM) He can also buy a s*** load of ding dongs. Hopefully he'll remember to take the foil wrappers off when he puts them in the microwave. Man, I'm gonna miss that show! is that Ozzie digging for gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowninginflame Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 If the sox have a good offer, it shoudn't be an issue. Dude is Chicago's poster boy, Ozzie wants him to be the team captain, Thome is masterbating for him to come back, the whole team loves him, he gets his career in motion here. do the right thing can come home pauldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 according to the trib several teams have finally offer money to paulie. it appears as angels reportedly offer 4/50 for 12 mil a yr and bal has offered 5/60 for 12 mil a yr as well. so now we know what the money is. offer kong 65. he'll come back for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Latest off from LA Angels- 5 year/60 million Lets see if we can match that offer. That should be the highest outside offer he recieves. 12/year is less than the 13/year we offered. But if that 5th offers is the key to a deal- just give it to him! He's earned it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 07:42 PM) Latest off from LA Angels- 5 year/60 million Lets see if we can match that offer. That should be the highest outside offer he recieves. 12/year is less than the 13/year we offered. But if that 5th offers is the key to a deal- just give it to him! He's earned it. The annual salary won't necessarily be that high. The contracts will include the signing bonus, so the 5 yr @ $60 million can have a $5 million signing bonus and the salary usually increases over time. So the Sox could actually get Paulie for around $10 this year with annual increases that push it to $12 or $13 in the 4th or 5th year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 If PK was willing to trade a no-trade clause for less money in a contract, would you guys give him the no-trade clause? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABearSoX Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 12:48 AM) If PK was willing to trade a no-trade clause for less money in a contract, would you guys give him the no-trade clause? Yea, there are usually ways around it.....and we know paulie doesnt like the cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) I like Paulie, but paying 5yr/60mil is grossly overpaying Paulie. I realizing that this is an unpopular sentiment and there is not a thing on the market to replace him with, but reality is often hard to face. That is an average of $12 mil per year for 5 years. An elite group of player make that much or more, and I am not sure Paulie compares since his is such a streaky hitter. But hell, the Mets paid more for Beltran who had one good year and one awesome playoffs and that's it. Edited November 30, 2005 by Greg The Bull Luzinski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 07:29 PM) That is an average of $15 mil per year. Try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) Cocky SOB with your math 12 million. Would 15 on a 4/60 year deal. Still too high, too many years. Edited November 30, 2005 by Greg The Bull Luzinski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 According to a source close to the situation, the Angels have made Paul Konerko an offer of close to 65 million for five years, and he's expected to make a decision on the contract sometime this week. The Chicago White Sox free agent first baseman, who helped lead the team to the World Series title, is due in town today or Tuesday to meet with Angel officials and look around the area for possible housing. More details as they become available........ http://1bignasty.com/jblog/columns.html Apparently this guy is very reliable and broke several sport stories first like Shaq signing to the Lakers, Magic Johnson coming back, Angels getting Kendry Morales, and the Vlad signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Osuna Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Enjoy LAA, Paulie. (If that story is true) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 uhhh ohhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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