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Getting Iguchi out of the two spot


TheHammer

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I like the idea of batting Iguchi leadoff and Podsednik second. Iguchi no longer has to give up at bats (His .342 OBP wasn't really worse than Pods at .351 anyway).

 

We would end up getting a lot more power from the leadoff spot which I would argue is better than having that power in the two hole. He gets more extra-base hits than Pods which means he would score more runs.

 

Also, Pods used to disrupt pitchers to get Iguchi better pitches. That did some damage. How much more damage would it do it more of his disruption came with Thome and Paulie up.

 

Yeah, this is a genius idea. Someone call Ozzie.

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QUOTE(TheHammer @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 05:00 PM)
I like the idea of batting Iguchi leadoff and Podsednik second.  Iguchi no longer has to give up at bats (His .342 OBP wasn't really worse than Pods at .351 anyway). 

 

We would end up getting a lot more power from the leadoff spot which I would argue is better than having that power in the two hole.  He gets more extra-base hits than Pods which means he would score more runs. 

 

Also, Pods used to disrupt pitchers to get Iguchi better pitches.  That did some damage.  How much more damage would it do it more of his disruption came with Thome and Paulie up.

 

Yeah, this is a genius idea.  Someone call Ozzie.

 

Um, simply no. Batting leadoff would hinder Iguchi from using his full abilities even more. That's all I'll say before the flaming comes.

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QUOTE(TheHammer @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 06:00 PM)
I like the idea of batting Iguchi leadoff and Podsednik second.  Iguchi no longer has to give up at bats (His .342 OBP wasn't really worse than Pods at .351 anyway). 

 

We would end up getting a lot more power from the leadoff spot which I would argue is better than having that power in the two hole.  He gets more extra-base hits than Pods which means he would score more runs. 

 

Also, Pods used to disrupt pitchers to get Iguchi better pitches.  That did some damage.  How much more damage would it do it more of his disruption came with Thome and Paulie up.

 

Yeah, this is a genius idea.  Someone call Ozzie.

 

Worst idea ever. Scott Podsednik works the count, draws walks, hits doubles, and steals if he doesn't.

 

I just can't fathom how you could even possibly offer this as an idea. I figured by moving Iguchi you meant down to 6th. We have a leadoff man, possibly the best in baseball behind Carl Crawford. Teams spend out the ass for a leadoff guy of Podsednik's calibre (look at the bidding war for Furcal). Pods is our boy!

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Personally, I think thats a horrible idea. If Iguchi moves out of the second slot, he's moving down in the order, where he can swing for more power. If he's at the top of the lineup, it just takes away from his potential even more. Iguchi is a great #2 hitter for his ability to do just about anything with his bat, especially with runners on in front of him, and if he goes anywhere in the lineup, its down.

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QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 06:07 PM)
Um, simply no. Batting leadoff would hinder Iguchi from using his full abilities even more. That's all I'll say before the flaming comes.

 

Batting 2nd is hindering Iguchi from using his full abilities, that is obvious. Atleast have a strong argument if you are going to say the idea is only worthy of some flaming.

 

Anyone should be able to move a runner over once in awhile. It is silly to stiffle one of your better bats because he can do some small things. Pods was the worst hitter on our team last year in terms of his overall production. He can hit singles and cause damage when he gets on base. If he can handle the bat a little he seems like perfect #2 hitter.

 

I know it is unlikely to happen, but I can't imagine it wouldn't help the team.

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QUOTE(TheHammer @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 06:16 PM)
If he can handle the bat a little he seems like perfect #2 hitter.

Iguchi was a pretty good #2 hitter. In fact, he could handle the bat great, not to mention hit for some power, something Pods cannot do if he wants to keep his average high. Why decrease Iguchi's offensive numbers even more when he is coming off of his first season hitting outside of the middle of the order? With a year of experience hitting second, his numbers should improve on an already great first year.

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QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 05:09 PM)
Worst idea ever.  Scott Podsednik works the count, draws walks, hits doubles, and steals if he doesn't.

 

I just can't fathom how you could even possibly offer this as an idea.  I figured by moving Iguchi you meant down to 6th.  We have a leadoff man, possibly the best in baseball behind Carl Crawford.  Teams spend out the ass for a leadoff guy of Podsednik's calibre (look at the bidding war for Furcal).  Pods is our boy!

 

Podsednik is not the best or second best in baseball... leading off that is. He can work the count decently but he is very streaky. He will walk five times in two games then walk twice in the next ten days... would like more consistency. He was on pace to break his record for doubles last season. if he didn't get injured he would have likely gotten there. Steals like s***... boo hoo he was injured, stop f***ing running then. He will strike out looking more times next year than anyone on our team next year... which is quite a feat.

 

With that said he is by far the better option to lead off.

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Ozzie never said he wanted a NEW lead-off hitter. He said he wanted a new #2 hitter.

 

They shipped Rowand because Ozzie was convinced Iguchi can produce better numbers than him at #6. That's why the deal was built around Rowand. If you believe they had to spend Rowand to get Thome you've not been listening. Shapiro was convinced that Thome was too much of an injury risk to unseat Hafner at DH. That would have forced Hafner into the field & one of their other solid bats would have been spent in getting Thome. So it really was Chicago or bust for the Phils.

 

SB talent is the hardest thing to predict from ml to ML. So you can bet they are going to trade for a proven SB threat to fill that spot. Odds are it will be Juan Pierre.

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Hmm, I see people are buying into the myth that Podsednik isn't a weak hitter. The guy had like 550 plate appearances and scored 80 runs. Thats what happens when your leadoff man has a .700 OPS. He is a bad hitter and a decent offensive player because of his speed. Hitting him 2nd in our style of play would mask some of his deficiencies and have him on base for more of the meat of the order.

 

The leadoff spot is a good place for power. Not like a Cecil Fielder type player, but a guy who can get extra base-hits where Pods lacks.

 

They had the same amount of walks last year in the same amount of plate appearances for the most part.

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QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 06:38 PM)
How many runs did we score in this manner:

 

Pods on, bunt/steal over, sacrifice/hit right side over, sac fly/hit

 

How many would we score with Iguchi up first?

 

Whatever the difference is it would be made up and then some by Iguchi's power.

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QUOTE(TheHammer @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 05:16 PM)
Batting 2nd is hindering Iguchi from using his full abilities, that is obvious.  Atleast have a strong argument if you are going to say the idea is only worthy of some flaming.

 

Anyone should be able to move a runner over once in awhile.  It is silly to stiffle one of your better bats because he can do some small things.  Pods was the worst hitter on our team last year in terms of his overall production.  He can hit singles and cause damage when he gets on base.  If he can handle the bat a little he seems like perfect #2 hitter.

 

I know it is unlikely to happen, but I can't imagine it wouldn't help the team.

 

I didn't say I wanted him to bat second, did I?

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