GreatScott82 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Boston offers Manny Ramerez to Philadelphia for Bobby Abreu but the Phillies rejected! It doesn't look like he will be staying in Boston after all. Boston is shopping him not only listening to offers. Looks like the Ortiz-Ramerez power-combo is finished. Does this mean the Thome-Konerko power-combo is the new best in the AL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) Boston offers Manny Ramerez to Philadelphia for Bobby Abreu but the Phillies rejected! It doesn't look like he will be staying in Boston after all. Boston is shopping him not only listening to offers. Looks like the Ortiz-Ramerez power-combo is finished. Does this mean the Thome-Konerko power-combo is the new best in the AL? It depends on where he goes. If Manny were to actually go to one of the teams he wants to play for, I'd say Vlad/Manny or Hafner/Manny would be better, although the latter is highly unlikely. Depending on what kind of talent Boston got back, Ortiz and the new guy might still be better, like Abreu/Ortiz and the previously rumored Beltran/Ortiz. Also, there is a lot that has to go right for Boston to be able to unload Manny, so I wouldn't say that he is absolutely gone from the Red Sox until the trade is finalized. Either way, I'd still say that A-Rod/Sheffield is the clubhouse favorite at least until we know that Thome is his old self again if Manny moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 It depends on where he goes. If Manny were to actually go to one of the teams he wants to play for, I'd say Vlad/Manny or Hafner/Manny would be better, although the latter is highly unlikely. Depending on what kind of talent Boston got back, Ortiz and the new guy might still be better, like Abreu/Ortiz and the previously rumored Beltran/Ortiz. Also, there is a lot that has to go right for Boston to be able to unload Manny, so I wouldn't say that he is absolutely gone from the Red Sox until the trade is finalized. Either way, I'd still say that A-Rod/Sheffield is the clubhouse favorite at least until we know that Thome is his old self again if Manny moves. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, it is very unlikely. If the Indians couldn't even trade for Thome or sign Giles, they aren't going to give up a ton of prospects and take on part of Manny's huge salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Boston wants an ace pitcher in return from what I heard. That means Manny is staying in Boston. I can't see any team giving Boston what they want. I question Philly though because I would've done Manny for Abreu straight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) Boston wants an ace pitcher in return from what I heard. That means Manny is staying in Boston. I can't see any team giving Boston what they want. I question Philly though because I would've done Manny for Abreu straight up. Philly said they want a top of the rotation starter for Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 If the cubs were smart they would offer Kerry Wood for Abreu, maybe they would bite on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 11:37 AM) Boston wants an ace pitcher in return from what I heard. That means Manny is staying in Boston. I can't see any team giving Boston what they want. I question Philly though because I would've done Manny for Abreu straight up. That doesn't mean that the price won't go down as the season approaches if Manny really keeps saying he won't play. I bet several teams might even be betting on that and just holding their cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowninginflame Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Konerko/Thome/Manny! wow, we'd be the new murderers row. It'll never happen, but hey I like Manny and his 40 HRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(drowninginflame @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 02:18 PM) Konerko/Thome/Manny! wow, we'd be the new murderers row. It'll never happen, but hey I like Manny and his 40 HRs That's what I thought, but I remember KW already saying no to him earlier in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(drowninginflame @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 03:18 PM) Konerko/Thome/Manny! wow, we'd be the new murderers row. It'll never happen, but hey I like Manny and his 40 HRs I don't even like to see or hear the words Manny and White Sox together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) I don't even like to see or hear the words Manny and White Sox together. Our team could probably hit 250HR's with that lineup next year. We'd drive in a crazy amount of runs. Who'd stop our team with that much hitting and that great of pitching? CF - Podsednik 2B - Iguchi LF - Ramirez DH - Thome 1B - Konerko RF - Dye C - AJ Pierzynski 3B - Crede SS - Uribe I could only dream. Edited December 1, 2005 by nitetrain8601 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 if Billy Beane wanted to spend a bit o' cash, he could package Barry Zito up with some others and send him to boston ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 wow abreau - ramirez. =o weird... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 01:39 PM) If the cubs were smart they would offer Kerry Wood for Abreu, maybe they would bite on that. Don't you mean if the Philles were extremely dumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 If the cubs were smart they would offer Kerry Wood for Abreu, maybe they would bite on that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> sounds good except for the fact that wood is more injury prone than my grandmother of 87 years old and is one of the most overrated pitchers in the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Best case scenario: Boston offers Manny for Timo and Boston takes 3/4 of Manny's contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(toasty @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) if Billy Beane wanted to spend a bit o' cash, he could package Barry Zito up with some others and send him to boston ? well its not his money, its steve schotts I believe so there is a better chance of the Devil Rays trading for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowninginflame Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Timo Viscaino Marte for Manny, do it KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 QUOTE(drowninginflame @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Timo Viscaino Marte for Manny, do it KW! Please god, tell me he is not cereal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I just hope to god he doesnt go to Cleveland.... Manny, Hafner, V-Mart, Sizemore, and Peralta....... yeah that scares me. Id say it would look like this Coco Crisp Sizemore Manny Hafner V-Mart Peralta does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 (edited) I just hope to god he doesnt go to Cleveland.... Manny, Hafner, V-Mart, Sizemore, and Peralta....... yeah that scares me. Id say it would look like this Coco Crisp Sizemore Manny Hafner V-Mart Peralta does it matter? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How are the Indians going to be able to afford Manny? They wouldn't give up the prospects for Thome. They couldn't sign Giles. They damn sure aren't going to give up a ton of prospects and pick up a huge portion of Manny's contract. It's common sense, especially considering they still need to try to re-sign Millwood, sign a closer, and also need a decent first baseman. Edited December 1, 2005 by SSH2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 well they wouldnt need a decent 1B w/ that lineup broussard or whoevr they have would be fine. Im not 2 sure about them resigning Millwood but I heard Hoffman for 2 years 8 million total. Their payroll is really small if they bring in Manny it could get the fans excited again and they have some prospects that they can give for the Red Sox to eat part of it at least. Even w/out Millwood they got Sabathia, Westbrook, and Cliff Lee and w/ a lineup like that it could be all they need. Hell they prob could bring back elarton for a pretty cheap price and than gave Davis another shot at the 5th spot. Elarton didnt have a good era but he is pretty decent and could put up a solid 4.5 era Than keep in mind they still have Riske and Betancourt in the bullpen to be setup guys. and Matt Miller is pretty decent also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Their payroll is really small if they bring in Manny it could get the fans excited again and they have some prospects that they can give for the Red Sox to eat part of it at least. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You answered your own question. That's exactly why the Indians won't be getting Manny. Manny is going to earn $64 million over the next 3 years. The Indians would have to give up good prospects and still take on quite a bit of Manny's contract. They can't afford to do both of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 1, 2005 -> 05:04 PM) Best case scenario: Boston offers Manny for Timo and Boston takes 3/4 of Manny's contract. um shutup, if its not gonna happen then dont say it manny will go to either phillies mets or mariners, personally IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timotime Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 manny is the worst outfeilder in the game besides bonds. i wouldnt want him on the sox under any circumstances (exception: if we traded places with KC i probably would) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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